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Revealed: Mass Media Complicity in “Russian Disinformation” Fraud, w/ Matt Taibbi
Video Transcript: System Update #30
January 30, 2023
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Note From Glenn Greenwald: The following is the full show transcript, for subscribers only, of a recent episode of our System Update program, broadcast live on Rumble on Friday, January 27, 2023. Going forward, every new transcript will be sent out by email and posted to our Locals page, where you'll find the transcripts for previous shows. 


Watch System Update Episode #30 Here on Rumble.

In this episode, we will examine the most important and fascinating – or one of them – new installments from the Twitter Files. Just hours ago, the independent journalist Matt Taibbi published a series of revelations about something called “Hamilton 68” which was launched in 2017, and it was immediately obvious that it was an attempt to smear all critics of the Democratic Party as Russian agents by pretending to use complex data analysis and new expertise called ‘disinformation expertise’ to prove which voices and viewpoints are being promoted by the Kremlin. 

But there were two very red flags from the start. The first was who was behind it, namely the now familiar mix of Democratic Party operatives, their old neocon allies, led by Bill Kristol and numerous operatives of the U.S. Security State, CIA, FBI, Homeland Security, the dominant union in the Trump era politics, that era giving itself the right to label what was and was not disinformation. Secondly, they refused to disclose any of the underlying data that they claim compose their sophisticated analysis, so it was impossible to know who they even decided to brand as Russian-friendly outlets. Impossible, that is, until now. Taibbi, using his access to the Twitter Files, has exposed not only the total fraud at the heart of this project but also Twitter's knowledge that, even as they and leading news corporations in America touted this Hamilton 68 dashboard as the authoritative source for knowing who was and was not a Russian asset, everyone in Twitter knew it was fraudulent but never told the country. 

We examine both the key revelations and the vital context to understand them and then speak to Taibbi himself about the reporting he just did, reporting which, needless to say, is being ignored by almost every major media outlet, including the ones that so heavily touted that fraudulent framework.


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After their humiliating defeat in 2016 to Donald Trump, along with their allies in the corporate media, Democrats decided to blame everyone except themselves. The list of villains is virtually endless: WikiLeaks and Julian Assange, who ended up imprisoned as a result; James Comey, for daring to investigate Hillary Clinton's private email server at her home, even though he ended up deciding not to prosecute her for it; Jill Stein for the crime of running against Hillary Clinton rather than falling obediently into line behind the Democrats – an art of submission, which the Squad ended up perfecting just a year later. Democrats even blame the New York Times because they believed, I swear, that the Paper of Record was too hard on Hillary and not hard enough on Trump. They blamed Russia, of course, and never stopped blaming them. They basically blamed everyone for their loss except Chris Hayes, Amy Klobuchar, Hillary Clinton, and the people Hillary paid a lot of money to, in order to win the election, namely the people whose responsibility it was to win that election. 

But above all else, what they really blamed was freedom: freedom of speech, a free press, and, especially, a free Internet. They decided that the real reason they lost was because citizens were too free to spread their views, their ideas, and their information over the Internet. So, they united with the U.S. Security State, which is always concerned about Americans having too much freedom, and they set about trying to rectify this problem by demanding that their Big Tech allies institute a new regime of censorship under threat of being punished for failure to obey. In order to justify this new censorship regime, they needed a way to pretend that they weren't really engaged in political censorship, in part because the First Amendment still makes that unconstitutional and because most Americans, by instinct, still recoil when they hear that people are being censored for their political views – that is still something that Americans by nature believe only happens in those bad countries, in tyrannies. 

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I don't think there's any question that Trump is one of the most, if not the most consequential presidents of our lifetime. That's neither praise nor critique. That's just an observation that I think is undeniably true. The impact that he has had on media, the impact that he's had on political coalitions, the impact that he's had on policy, on political culture throughout the West and beyond, I think is far beyond any other specific president. Maybe Richard Nixon is the president who competes with him in terms of how consequential he was – and his presidency was – for better or for worse. But I would say Trump is probably the most consequential and the main reason for that, in my view, is how much he deviates from prior presidential patterns. Whatever you say about Donald Trump, you cannot say he's an ordinary political figure or an ordinary president. 

One of the things I think is most worth noting about Trump, the thing that for me has always been a vessel of potential, a reason why I think that there's something not only interesting but positive in Trump's emergence on the political scene is precisely the fact that, unlike virtually every president from either political party in my lifetime who is sort of a person you just wind up and they reflexively embrace the most sacred authorities of DC's power centers, in part because they are byproducts of them, they're sort of strivers, people who have been training their whole life to become president, they're trained above all else in how to say and believe the things that advance their careerism, their self-interest and their political agenda, they just are reflexively unrevolutionary, eager not to alienate powerful people, and therefore they're very reliable vessels for establishment dogma. Trump has spent his entire life doing exactly the opposite. The fact that he wasn't even in politics at all, in any elected capacity or as a candidate, basically until 2016, when he was 71 years old, I think is what enabled him to be so willing to reject ideas, positions, and pieties that presidents previous to him, major presidential candidates previous to him, would never even dream of rejecting because the cost is too high, the anger on the part of powerful and influential people is too intense. And yet, for whatever reasons, Trump has constituted in such a way as to not really care about that, I think he does crave at a certain level, gaining approval and being liked, but there's a bigger part of him that is willing to incur the wrath of the people who are most powerful. 

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