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Video Transcript: System Update #44
February 24, 2023
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Note From Glenn Greenwald: The following is the full show transcript, for subscribers only, of a recent episode of our System Update program, broadcast live on Rumble on Wednesday, February 22, 2023. Watch the full episode here or listen to the podcast on Spotify.

 

In the aftermath of President Biden's highly melodramatic made-for-TV train trip to Kyiv, where he yet again vowed to send another half billion dollars or so and vowed to support Ukraine until the very end – whatever that might mean – there is real fallout on multiple levels from that trip – in Russia, in China and in the U.S. – as both former President Trump and Florida Governor Ron DeSantis weigh in on Biden's actions. We will report on all of that and examine the implications. 

Plus, more than two years later, we are finally going to see the parts of the January 6 surveillance footage that the House January 6 Committee, led by Democrats Bennie Thompson, Adam Schiff and Republican Liz Cheney did not want you to see. That's because House Speaker Kevin McCarthy has quite controversially handed that footage over to Fox News host Tucker Carlson. 

As you might imagine, most of the corporate media is not particularly pleased about this, which is odd given how often they proclaim their love of transparency, which is exactly what we're about to get. We'll examine the implications of that decision and the very irritated and angry media reaction to it, as well. 

As a reminder, each episode of System Update is now available in podcast form on Spotify, Apple and other major podcast platforms. The episodes are released the day following their live broadcast here on Rumble. 

For now, welcome to a new episode of System Update starting right now. 




 

Monologue

 

Over the weekend and into Monday, President Joe Biden made a surprise, melodramatic visit to Kyiv, the kind of presidential trip that all presidents in wartime love to do. Every single president – for as long as I can remember – has made secret, mysterious, high-drama trips into theaters of war – in Iraq and Afghanistan and the rest. The media goes crazy and everybody gets excited. And this is no different. 

President Biden chose a highly popular reporter who used to work at the Huffington Post and The Guardian to be the secret reporter who would accompany him with secret plans that nobody knew about. She was only told that she was going to Warsaw and they traveled dark into the night at 4 a.m. Like a spy thriller. They flew all the way across the world. They landed. They flew again. They got on a train. Nobody knew that this was happening. It was so dangerous because Kyiv is such a dangerous place, such a major theater of war with bombs coming and missiles coming all the time, that the consensus immediately rose, that this was Biden's Churchill moment. It was so brave and courageous and important for our country that he went to Ukraine and met with President Zelenskyy in that olive green costume that he wears wherever he goes. It was all very exciting and all very important for some reason that I don't fully understand. 

However important or not important the meeting may have been, there was certainly a lot of media excitement over it. They had all kinds of historians say that this is one of the most important presidential trips in decades. It was somehow incredibly historic, but there was also a lot of real fallout from it as well, fallout that is likely to endure with us long after the media reaction dissipates. And that's what I want to focus on, examining what the cost continues to be to this proxy war that we seem to be continuing to feel with no end in sight, with no intended end in sight, way with the benefits that are accruing to American citizens, which is supposed to be the role of our government, against the costs that continue to pile up every time we do something. 

So, let's review, first of all, an article from Real Clear Politics, just to review the basics of what happened in particular when President Biden met with President Zelenskyy in Kyiv for this super-secret, dark-of-the-night trip. It was very exciting in and of itself, and it was extra exciting because an air siren went off while President Biden was there, showing how brave he was to go there and to endure these incoming missile fire and to basically risk his life in order to go. As Hillary Clinton said, he took a train to the frontlines of democracy. That's what Hillary Clinton called it: “taking a train to the frontlines of democracy.” Here, though, is something that inadvertently emerged on CNN, that you don't see on CNN very often – which is the truth –. and it was clearly something that was said without realizing what the implications are. Let's watch what CNN told us. 

 

(Video 00:15:46) 

Alex Marquardt, CNN:  I've been here for the past five days. I have not heard any explosions. I have not heard any air sirens until about half an hour ago, right when President Biden was in the center of Kyiv, as… 

 

Well, what an incredible coincidence. First of all – very bad luck for Joe Biden. Scary bad luck. For five days, Kyiv is perfectly calm, as it so often is. Nothing was going on in Kyiv, as the CNN reporter said. He didn't hear a single siren or air attack or anything else. And it was right when the president – just the moment that he stepped out into the public square, that's exactly the moment the air siren went off right in front of the cameras and all over the United States, in The New York Times and elsewhere, appeared the headline “Air Sirens Go Off While President Biden Meets Outdoors With President Zelenskiy”. 

An incredibly melodramatic moment. Our president was in danger, but he didn't care because, like Winston Churchill himself, he was fighting for democracy. He's fighting for our freedom. If President Biden doesn't go to Kyiv, if he doesn't spend $100 billion or more to fuel the war in Kyiv, in six months or so, we may be speaking Russian. That's how close the Russians are to our border. And that's how much gratitude the media has for President Biden for being such a bold and selfless leader that he went on such a dangerous trip, as evidenced by that air siren that went off – which hadn't gone off for five days until the moment he got there. That's when it went off. No bombs came in, by the way. No missiles came in. Maybe it was just that they detected something. Maybe they shot it down there, who knows? But any event, right at the moment that he was there in front of all the cameras, that's when the air siren went off. 

In response to that trip, a lot of things happened. President Biden went right up to the Russian border, a country that sits on the most sensitive part of the Russian border, where the Russians were twice invaded and almost destroyed by the Germans in both world wars in the 20th century. That's a reason why Ukraine is a pretty sensitive place for Russia. If, for example, the Soviet Union got anywhere near the United States, as it did during the Cuban Missile Crisis, we are ready to start a nuclear war over it. For some reason, everybody seems confident that President Putin is not going to do the same – even though Joe Biden is right in the country, on that border, promising that NATO will continue to pour heavy armaments, including tanks, and potentially, next, fighter jets, right into that country – everyone's confident that Vladimir Putin won't do what John Kennedy was going to do and almost did, which is blow up the world because the Russians got too close to the American border. Everyone's calm, everyone's happy. Just keep throwing in weapons and fueling this war right on the border of Russia. It's all worth it because of the immense benefits we as Americans are getting, which we'll talk about in a moment. 

But there are things happening as a result that we should take into account. One of them is that President Putin announced that Russia is officially withdrawing from the last remaining arms treaty, which is called the New START agreement as a result of what he perceives as NATO's and EU’s aggression that has been going on for many years. 

There's the Reuters article and it reads, 

 

President Vladimir Putin said on Tuesday that Russia was suspending its participation in the New START treaty with the United States that limits the two sides' strategic nuclear arsenals. Putin stressed that Russia was not withdrawing from the treaty, but the suspension further imperils the last remaining pillar of arms control between the United States and Russia, which between them hold nearly 90% of the world's nuclear warheads – enough to destroy the planet many, many times over. “In this regard, I am forced to announce today that Russia is suspending its participation in the Strategic Offensive Arms Treaty”, Putin told lawmakers toward the end of a major speech to parliament, nearly one year into the war in Ukraine (Reuters. Feb. 21, 2023). 

 

Maybe you don't care much about arms treaties, but I think it's important to review the history of these arms treaties and why many people thought they were very important, beginning with President Ronald Reagan himself. The Reuters article goes on. 

 

The New START Treaty was signed in Prague in 2010, came into force the following year, and was extended in 2021 for five years more just after U.S. President Joe Biden took office. It caps the number of strategic nuclear warheads that the United States and Russia can deploy, and the deployment of land and submarine-based missiles and bombers to deliver them. 

Russia has the largest stockpile of nuclear weapons in the world, with close to 6,000 warheads, experts say (Reuters. Feb. 21, 2023). 

These agreements take the two countries that have so many different kinds of nuclear weapons – nuclear-tipped intercontinental ballistic missiles, nuclear submarines, they're all over the place – and these arms treaties and the framework of them, which, again, was begun in the 1980s between Ronald Reagan and Mikhail Gorbachev and has been supported by people all over the world and both political parties for decades because it's a pretty serious matter to have nuclear weapons just about all over the world, with no one controlling how they're used or where they are or how many there are deployed. That's what nuclear arms agreements are for. 

One of the problems, one of the costs of this proxy war that we're now in for about a year – it's about to be a year on February 24 – is that it is now completely destroying whatever remnants of diplomacy exist between the United States and Russia. Again, the countries with 90% of the nuclear stockpile on the planet. As ABC reports, “Russian lawmakers endorse suspension of nuclear pact with the U.S. Both houses of Russia's parliament have quickly endorsed President Vladimir Putin's move to suspend the last remaining nuclear arms treaty with the United States” (Feb. 22, 2023). 

According to AP, what is happening, as the Russian parliament and Vladimir Putin withdraw from that arms treaty, is former Russian president and the current top national security adviser to President Putin, Dmitry Medvedev, came out once again and explicitly warned, in case you just don't believe it's true, they're trying to explicitly say that Russia will use their nuclear weapons if they begin to lose what they actually regard – whether you agree with it or not – what they regard, as an existential war. If they start to lose a war right on the Ukrainian border and perceive that NATO and the West overrunning Ukraine and deploying their military right up to the Russian border, they are telling the world in terms that the United States shall understand, since we would do the same thing if this were happening in Cuba or Mexico or Canada or even in anywhere in Latin America, that they regard it as a threat sufficient enough to them to deploy nuclear weapons, 

Dmitry Medvedev, deputy head of Russia's Security Council that is chaired by Putin, emphasized Wednesday, that the suspension of Russia's participation in the pact was a signal to the U.S. that Moscow is ready to use nuclear weapons to protect itself. “If the U.S. wants Russia's defeat, we have the right to defend ourselves with any weapons, including nuclear weapons”, Medvedev said on his messaging app channel. “Let the U.S. elites who have lost touch with reality think about what they got. If the U.S. wants Russia to be defeated, we are going to stand on the verge of a global conflict”. 

Leonid Slutsky, the head of the Foreign Affairs Committee in the lower house, the State Duma [the Russian parliament] emphasized that the suspension is “reversible and can be reviewed if our Western opponents come back to reason and realize the responsibility for destroying the global security system” (ABC News. Feb. 22, 2023).

 Now, maybe you're somebody who says: look, I don't care about what Russia does. I don't care if they withdraw from every single arms control agreement they have with us. I don't care if they threaten to use nuclear weapons for some reason in this country all the way on the other side of the world that has no oil reserves and no geostrategic importance to the United States, a country that President Barack Obama himself repeatedly said, when attacked by neocons in both parties for not doing enough to defend Ukraine, he would always say, “Why would I risk a war with Russia over Ukraine? Ukraine is a country that's a vital interest to Russia but is not, never has been and never will be to the United States.” I guess if you think that that country is so important, that who rules the Donbas and the eastern regions and provinces of Ukraine is so vital to your life that you're willing to risk all of these things, then okay. But let's at least hear from Ronald Reagan about, despite how a hardened cold warrior he was, despite his view that the Soviet Union – not Russia, but the Soviet Union, vastly larger than today's Russia, much, much more threatening, with a much bigger military – was a genuine existential threat to the United States, notwithstanding his view on that, he was adamant that nuclear arms agreements were vital to the security of the United States and of the world. Let's listen to just one of the times he said so, early in his presidency in 1980. 

 

(Video 00:25:17)


Ronald Reagan, 1982: Others of a new generation must have worried about their children and about peace. And that's what I'd like to talk to you about tonight, the future of our children in a world where peace is made uneasy by the presence of nuclear weapons. I believe our strategy for peace will succeed. Never before has the United States proposed such a comprehensive program of nuclear arms control. Never in our history have we engaged in so many negotiations with the Soviets to reduce nuclear arms and to find a stable peace. What we are saying to them is this: We will modernize our military in order to keep the balance for peace but wouldn't it be better if we both simply reduced our arsenals to a much lower level? This summer, we also began negotiations on strategic arms reductions. The proposal we call a START. Here, we're talking about intercontinental missiles, the weapons with a longer range than the intermediate-range ones I was just discussing. We are negotiating on the basis of deep reductions. I proposed in May that we cut the number of warheads on these missiles to an equal number, roughly one-third below current levels. I also propose that we cut the number of missiles themselves to an equal number about half the current U.S. level. Our proposals would eliminate some 4,700 warheads and some 2,250 missiles. I think that would be quite a service to mankind. 



“That would be quite a service to mankind,” said the person who ran on a platform of challenging the Soviet Union and denouncing it as the evil empire. And he was trying to get the country to understand the situation that Russia and the United States face because of these nuclear weapons – which, by the way, 40 years later are vastly more destructive and powerful than they were then when Ronald Reagan was warning about them, and way more powerful still than when the United States used them, twice, in 1945, in Japan. He was trying to get people to understand, “as much as I believe the Soviet Union is a country that needs to be challenged in every conceivable way, we are much better and safer as a country if we're able to sit down with them, despite all the rhetoric flying back and forth between us, and negotiate these Start agreements, these arms control agreements that will lead to place some degree of security”. And, as he used to say, trust but verify, verification systems on the number of nuclear warheads aimed at one another’s cities, that would just make the world a much less dangerous place. And again, Reagan was somebody willing to challenge the Soviet Union in all kinds of ways with dirty wars and covert wars and any time he thought the communists were getting too close to the United States, in the backyard that he considered Latin America to be, never mind right on the other side of the border, he was emphasizing the importance of this arms control regime that is now unraveling, unraveling almost completely and over what? War in Ukraine over whether Zelenskyy will govern the Donbas or it will be independent or will decide – as Kosovo did – it wants to be subject to the rule of Moscow – or like Crimea did. Kosovo opted for independence. 

The START agreement itself, the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (START) I, was signed on July 31st, 1991. I think it's very important to review the history of this so we don't become dismissive about the importance of these agreements. They were signed in 1991. That was when George Bush was president, by the United States and the Soviet Union. 

 

This is the first treaty that required U.S. and Soviet/Russian reductions of strategic nuclear weapons. It was indispensable in creating a framework that ensured predictability and stability for deep reductions.

In December 1991, the Soviet Union dissolved, leaving four independent states in possession of strategic nuclear weapons Russia, Belarus, Ukraine and Kazakhstan. This caused a delay in the entry into force of the treaty. On May 23, 1992, the United States and the four nuclear-capable successor states to the Soviet Union signed the Lisbon Protocol, which made all five nations party to the START I agreement. 

Reductions of nuclear weapons were completed by the deadline of December 5, 2001, seven years after entry into force, and maintained for another eight years. States were verified by on-site inspections and shared missile telemetry. Both the United States and the Russian Federation continued reduction efforts even after reaching the START limits (Arms Control Association. April, 2022). 

 

That's how successful they were. All of these countries – very different antagonisms and very different interests – not only sat down and complied but continued to voluntarily do it even further, knowing how dangerous these nuclear weapons were. 

Then we get into the new START agreement, which is the one that President Putin just abandoned. That one did the following: 

New START continues the bipartisan process of verifiably reducing U.S. and Russian strategic nuclear arsenals begun by former Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush. New START is the first verifiable U.S.-Russian nuclear arms control treaty to take effect since START I, in 1994. 

The United States and Russia agreed on February 3, 2021, to extend New START by five years, as allowed by the treaty text, until February 5th, 2026 (Arms Control Association. April, 2022). 

 

And now that's what has been put into doubt and suspended. 

So, look at all the costs. You have the financial cost of $100 billion or more. You have the United States depleting its own military stockpiles and now having to buy enormous amounts from Raytheon and Boeing and General Dynamics and all the countries that always profit whenever wars begin. I had Matt Gaetz on my show last week and I asked him, Why is the United States so obsessed with Ukraine as it's been since at least 2013, if not before when Victoria Nuland was running that country for the Obama administration the way she now is for the Biden administration? And he told me that Goldman Sachs and all of these hedge funds and banks see Ukraine as an incredibly profitable opportunity because of how corrupt it is. So, we are pouring hundreds of billions of dollars, or $100 billion authorized thus far, tons of weapons, right exactly six months after these arms manufacturers finally lost their major market in the War on Terror when we withdrew from Afghanistan – lo and behold – there's a new war. 

So, we're putting all those costs into it. We're depleting our own stockpiles. We're unraveling the nuclear arms reduction agreements that President Ronald Reagan started and himself said were indispensable to future generations living a safe and secure life on the planet. And on top of that, China is now making gestures toward getting more involved with Russia, seeing that the entire West and all of NATO is backing up the Ukrainians and believing that it's necessary to at least bring some balance – and that's causing China to seemingly get more involved in supporting Russia, either indirectly or by providing the kinds of arms that the United States is providing – though obviously the United States is now threatening China, that they better not do what the United States is already doing in this war, which is providing lethal arms. 

My favorite headline that I've ever seen, was from 2007, when the United States denounced Iran for, “interfering in Iraq'', even though the U.S. was in Iraq with about 200,000 troops – a country that it had invaded just four years earlier – was warning and denouncing Iran for interfering in a country right on the other side of its border when the United States, went all the way to the other side of the world to invade that country. And now the United States is warning China, “You better stay out of Ukraine, you better stay away from Russia.'' Of course, the Chinese are now saying, you can’t dictate to us what kind of relationship we can have with Moscow? And that's raising tensions between Moscow and between Washington and Beijing. And always the overarching question is “for what?” For what? Who is benefiting from this war? If the people of the Donbas region and other provinces in eastern Ukraine are allowed to have a free and fair election that the UN supervises and they decide they want to be independent from the rule of Kyiv and are granted their independence the way Kosovo was, or they decide they want to be part of Moscow because they're Russian speaking and identify as ethnic Russians and are allowed to go and be under the rule of Moscow. What does that do to you? How does that improve your life in any way to have all of your taxpayer money transferred to Ukraine and have us fuel a war there? How is that helping your life? And conversely, how will it harm your life if the United States plays the role of trying to forge a diplomatic resolution to this war instead of preventing diplomacy and fueling the war for its own interests, for the interests of a tiny sliver of the population, namely people who work in the arms industry, who are big shareholders and executives in it, and people who work in the U.S. Security State who always see their authority and budgets balloon whenever there is a war like this? 

One of the things I find very interesting is that there's no debate taking place in the Democratic Party when it comes to this question. The international left is starting to rise up in much greater force against this war. The new president of Brazil, Lula da Silva, has been pressured in all kinds of ways to lend Brazil's support to Ukraine. He absolutely refuses, saying, “Our war is not with Ukraine. Our war is with poverty and in defense of the quality of lives of our people”. Imagine a president saying our goal as a government is to improve the lives of our people, not to fund the war on the other side of the world. He also has said this “good versus evil framework is very ambiguous”, not very clear, given how many provocations there were with NATO in the EU in Ukraine. 

Remember, it was 2014 when Victoria Nuland got caught on tape choosing the next president of Ukraine, of the democracy Ukraine. Why did Victoria Nuland choose the leader of Ukraine if it's such a vibrant democracy? Why is the United States having a neocon like Victoria Nuland, who was Dick Cheney's primary advisor in the Iraq war, picking the leader of Ukraine right on the other side of the Russian border? Do you think we might consider it threatening if the president of Mexico were being chosen in a meeting by the Chinese Communist Party or the Chinese ambassador to Mexico City? Probably. 

But what benefits are there to the United States? There's no debate in the Democratic Party, even while people like Lula and many other international leftist leaders say this is not a war for us. I interviewed Sahra Wagenknecht who is the leader of Die Linke party, the left party in Germany, and you heard her say the lunacy of having Germany risk war with Russia – Germany and Russia, when they have antagonisms, that never ends up well for the world. And she talked about the trauma of Russians seeing German tanks going to the part of the border where Germany twice invaded Ukraine. So, you see leftist leaders, leftist populist leaders and right-wing populist leaders, including in Germany – the alternative for Deutschland, the AfD party, also supporting her and supporting that. It's the EU neoliberal, globalist order, joined at the hip with the bipartisan wing of both political parties, who is supporting this war. And what you're starting to see is increasing amounts of dissent from the right wing populist part of the Republican Party. 

Donald Trump has been speaking a lot in this way for many years and is again on this war – and I’m about to show you this in a minute – but one thing that I think was really interesting was Florida Governor Ron DeSantis gave an interview on Fox News, two days ago, and we have not heard Governor DeSantis speak much on foreign policy over the last four years for a very understandable reason. He had a job, which was being the governor of Florida, that had nothing to do with foreign policy. He was focused on the policy of his state, but he did have a voting record in the House that I would describe as fairly conventionally pro-war, old school Republican establishment. With the notable exception that Governor DeSantis was actually opposed to the intervention in Syria that many people were trying to get President Obama to unleash even further than he did, including Hillary Clinton. People like Mike Pompeo were in favor of that war. As always, there's bipartisan consensus. In Munich this week, Michael Tracey, the journalist who's independent, who's often on our show, showed how members of the Republican Party, like Governor Kristi Noem, of South Dakota, were in Munich wearing shirts like “Ukraine forever” and there was Nancy Pelosi wearing a bracelet of shells from Ukrainian weapons that someone had made for her. That's a completely bipartisan war as all the disastrous wars in the United States are. 

But there is starting to be dissent on the right wing of the Republican Party. Kevin McCarthy has said, “under his speakership, there is not going to be a blank check anymore for Ukraine.” I don't know how much he believes that. But I found Governor DeSantis’ interview, now that he's thinking about running for president and needs to talk about foreign policy, extremely interesting, given that he was, at best, lukewarm about whether the United States should be continuing to fuel this proxy war in Ukraine and how we should be seeing Russia. I found his comments very interesting. Let's look at those.. 

 

(Video 00:39:20) 

Ron DeSantis, Fox News, Feb.20, 2023: Well, they have effectively a blank check policy with no clear strategic objective identified. And these things can escalate and I don't think it's in our interests to be getting into a proxy war, with China getting involved over things like the borderlands or over Crimea. So, I think it would behoove them to identify what this strategic objective is. 

 

So first of all, let's just think about what he just said in that first 24 seconds. He called this what it is, which is a proxy war. It’s a war between the United States and Russia, not a war between Ukraine and Russia. It's a proxy war. The United States is involved in a proxy war using Ukraine as its proxy to weaken Russia. And that's what he's saying. He's also saying it's madness that we've opened up our coffers and given them a blank check, which is exactly what President Biden just did in Kyiv – he said, oh, whatever you need is yours until the very end of this war. And Governor DeSantis, I'm pleasantly surprised to hear – it's going to take a lot more to convince me than just this but it's a good start – is saying, first of all, why are we doing that? Why are we involved in an endless proxy war? And then let's listen to what he says about Russia. 

 

(Video 00:40:45)

Ron DeSantis Feb.20, 2023: […] But just saying it's an open-ended blank check, that is not acceptable. 

 

Fox News: So, Governor, what does a win look like for us in Ukraine, for Ukraine? 

 

Ron DeSantis Feb.20, 2023: Well, I think it's important to point out, I mean, you know, the fear of Russia going into NATO countries and all that, and steamrolling, you know, that has not even come close to happening. I think they've shown themselves to be a third-rate military power. I think they've suffered tremendous, tremendous losses. I got to think that the people in Russia are probably disapproving of what's going on. I don't think they can speak up about it for obvious reasons. So, I think Russia has been really, really wounded here. And I don't think that they are the same threat to our country, even though they're hostile, I don't think they're on the same level as China, right? 

 

I think the way he talks about Russia is unbelievably important. Sometimes war propaganda is, of all things, so demented and deranged that I look around me sometimes and I see people I regard as intelligent and rational and whom I have respect for, buying into things they're hearing. I know war propaganda is very, very effective. It's very potent. It's been perfected over centuries. You know, how do you get populations to support suffering in great numbers, having your fellow citizens or you putting your life at risk to go murder, other people, in a different country, often with no benefit? You need a propagandistic framework to convince people to do that. And even if you're not asking them to go put their lives on the line, the way is true for the United States at the moment – there are no American troops, at least in uniform, who are there. You can be sure there are intelligence officers and all other kinds of people there who are American but there are no American battalions there, no American troops engaging Russian forces directly. But even so, Americans are being sacrificed in all kinds of ways, including just enormous amounts of money, at a time when, for example, in East Palestine, in Ohio, where there was a train explosion and clearly chemical poisoning of communities, the United States government seems totally uninterested in what's happening to Americans. President Biden is not in East Palestine tonight – former President Trump is – Biden’s off in Ukraine for some reason. 

So, there are always sacrifices and you have to get people to be willing to sustain this for years. Let's just keep sending weapons and killing people. Why? And so, all kinds of propaganda rings down upon you. We're fighting for democracy. We should feel good about ourselves. We don't like tyranny. We like democracy. We want freedom, for people to be free in the world. It amazes me that people believe that's why the United States fights wars when the United States is a very close ally and partner – and always has been – with the most despotic regimes on the planet, like Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Egypt and the list goes on and on. 

The United States doesn’t dislike tyranny. It doesn't want to vanquish despotism. It loves tyranny and despotism, as long as it serves the interests of the United States. It's not why the United States goes to war. The United States was partners with Saddam Hussein. They were partners with Moammar Gadhafi and Bashar Assad and only started talking about their evils when it became time strategically to want to remove them. They merely say it was fine with Saddam Hussein to gas his own people. We were allies of Saddam Hussein when he was doing that. 

So, I'm always amazed when people are willing to believe that and what amazes me, even more, is this idea that Putin is like a Hitler-like figure, where we’re basically in 1938, faced with this Nazi army, the likes of which the world had never seen before in terms of potency and force and acting like Russia is anywhere remotely on that level. And then if we don't stop them in Ukraine, they're going to take over Poland and Hungary and then they're going to make their way into Western Europe and conquer France and Italy and Germany and then on to Britain and then potentially to the Island States. This is the madness of the most intense kind. And that's what Governor DeSantis is saying there, is that the Russian military is a joke. It doesn't even spend 1/15 on its military what the United States spends on ours, not 1/15. We have already allocated more for that single war in Ukraine than the entire Russian military budget for the entire year, which is only $65 billion. They can't hold thousands in Ukraine. They're going to go and conquer Poland and Hungary and the Balkans and on to Western Europe. That is the insanity of the highest degree. And it's good to hear Governor DeSantis say so because that is what instantly dismantles every time neocons want you to start a war – they use the single only historical analogy they evidently learned in high school:  World War II. 

So, your choice is only binary and always binary. You either support their wars and you get to be Churchill. You go down in history like Churchill like Biden for going to Kyiv on that super-secret trip on the train, or you're Neville Chamberlain, the disgraced appeaser. They don't know any other historical example and, in order for that to work, the enemy has to be Hitler. You go, look, just go Google it. Every time the neocons wanted to start a new war – against Saddam Hussein, against Moammar Gadhafi, against Ahmadinejad when he was the president of Iran, remember him? The new Hitler who served two terms under the Constitution after being elected and then left and now is in retirement. The new Hitler retired after two terms. 

Every new leader is Hitler and now Putin is Hitler, too, even though as Governor DeSantis says, the Russian military is a third-rate military power. Obama used to say that, too. When asked why he didn't do more to stop Russia, he would say Russia. They're at best a regional power. They have an economy smaller than Italy's. Why are you talking about Russia as some grand power? 

Now let's look at what President Trump has been saying because I do think it's important to realize, even though people hate to accept this, that while President Trump did escalate a couple of the bombing campaigns he inherited, such as in Syria and Iraq against ISIS and al-Qaeda, he was the first president in decades not to involve the United States in a new war. That's like a good achievement, right? We should all be able to agree on that. I know we don't, but we should. That's a positive thing. And listen to what he's now saying about how he sees the war in Ukraine. 

 

(Video 00:47:47)

Donald Trump: World War III has never been closer than it is right now. We need to clean house of all of the warmongers in America, the last globalists in the Deep State, the Pentagon, the State Department, and the National Security Industrial Complex. One of the reasons I was the only president in generations who didn't start a war is that I was the only president who rejected the catastrophic advice of many of Washington's generals, bureaucrats and the so-called diplomats who only know how to get us into conflict. But they don't know how to get us out. 

 

He's railing against the permanent war party in Washington that really doesn't have a party other than a war party. You find them in the Democratic Party and the Republican Party alike. There's no difference whatsoever when it comes to the question of the war in Ukraine between the views of Tom Cotton and Marco Rubio and Lindsey Graham on the one side and Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton and AOC and Joe Biden on the other, absolutely no difference. Just like the Tea Parties had almost no difference. When it came time for the war in Iraq or the war in Syria. They are in full agreement. Except for this wing of the Republican Party that Governor DeSantis is obviously trying to speak to. 

You can blame Donald Trump because he put a lot of these people in his administration. He had Mike Pompeo in the position of Secretary of State and CIA director, who's absolutely a neocon of the kind he's railing against here, who is, of course, completely in favor of the war in Ukraine. He had Nikki Haley as his U.N. ambassador, who was the same way, You go down the list. You had a lot of them. He put John Bolton there, though. He said he liked that Bolton was there because Bolton was so insane, people were afraid to mess with the United States and that helped him negotiate. But who knows, maybe this time he's serious, maybe he's not. But nonetheless, the fact that you had to go to the Republican Party to hear this kind of denunciation of endless warmongers, who are neocons, and the uniparty, in Washington, is really striking. Let's listen to it a little more. 

 

(Video 00:50:03) 

Donald Trump: Such as Victoria Nuland and many others, just like her, obsessed with pushing Ukraine toward NATO, not to mention the State Department's support for uprisings in Ukraine. These people have been seeking confrontation for a long time, much like the case in Iraq and other parts of the world. And now we're teetering on the brink of World War III. And a lot of people don't see it but I see it, and I've been right about a lot of things. They all say Trump's been right about everything […] 

 

Everybody says Trump's been right about everything and just wanted to highlight that. 


(Video 00:50:40) 

Donald Trump: The outrageous and horrible invasion of Ukraine one year ago, would have never happened if I was your president. Not even a little chance. But it does mean that, here in America, we need to get rid of the corrupt globalist establishment that has botched every major foreign policy decision for decades. And that includes President Biden, whose own people said he's never made a good decision when it comes to looking at other countries. 

 

This used to be standard fare and a staple of left-wing politics: the idea that there’s a neoconservative, warmongering uniparty in Washington and a permanent power faction in Washington; Dwight Eisenhower, no leftist, the five-star general and war hero and two-term Republican president warned of exactly this on his way out. None of this has changed. And Trump saw an up close and firsthand and he sees it now. 

Victoria Nuland is part of the Kagan family, just pure neoconservatism, that wants the United States to fight every single war for all kinds of motives, having everything to do with everything, except the welfare of the American people. And she stays in power no matter whom you go and votes for. The only time she's been out of government in the last 35 years was when Donald Trump was president. She was in the Clinton administration. She served as Dick Cheney's top adviser for Iraq in the War on Terror. She then slithered into the Obama administration, where she ran Iraq for the John Kerry State Department. She's now running Ukraine for the Blinken State Department. Blinken himself was a supporter of the war in Iraq. So was Joe Biden. 

These are all the same people doing this over and over and over, exactly what Donald Trump is saying. And I think Ron DeSantis realizes, based on that little snippet that I showed you, that he cannot run based on standard Reagan-Bush-Cheney foreign policy of wanting to go to war all over the place, that doesn't benefit the American people. The Republican Party seems done with that and although people claim that neoconservatives joined with the Democratic Party, and remigrated back to the Democratic Party, neocons go to whatever party will host them and will serve their agenda best. 

The claim was that neocons align with the Democratic Party again only because of fear of Trump. That is not true. You can find in the New York Times, I've shown it to you before, a 2014 op-ed by Jacob Hall Brown, who chronicles neocons as well as anybody and the point of this article was that Robert Kagan, Victoria Nuland’s husband, from the neoconservative Kagan family, was plotting to support Hillary Clinton for president as early as 2014 when this article was published before anyone dreamed of Trump running let alone winning because he perceived that the Republican Party was becoming inhospitable to the neocon agenda of endless war and that Hillary Clinton would better serve it. Can anyone doubt that he was right about that? Hillary Clinton had Victoria Nuland in her State Department, his wife. He knew what he was saying. And that is what Donald Trump – maybe he'll be able to do more about it if he's president again, maybe he'll be too weak and undisciplined again, maybe he'll be too vulnerable to flattery again. He talked like this before and did some things about it, but not very much. Though, again, he did avoid war of the kind that Joe Biden is feeding in Ukraine. So, he at least deserves credit for that. And he's saying the right things. And tonight, by the way, he's in East Palestine to visit the actual American citizens suffering greatly, who have been forgotten by the Biden administration, which is focused, for whatever reason, on who is going to rule provinces in Eastern Ukraine. 

At the very beginning of the war, I could see all of this coming like a lot of people could, although there weren't many people willing to say it. What I mean by that is that from the very beginning of the war, the media did a very effective job. War is one of the most repulsive things that humanity can do upon itself, probably the most repugnant. And if you look at war and the realities of it, you'll instinctively react. If you're a decent person with disgust and rage: who is doing it? That's the reason we never, ever see the victims of our missiles and our drones and our bombs. When was the last time you saw on ABC or CNN dead bodies caused by the American military? Or heard from the grieving relatives of people whom we blew up at wedding parties or the dreams and aspirations snuffed out by an errant drone like the one that President Biden sent into Afghanistan in the last week that we were there that killed 12 innocent people, an entire family. Those have disappeared from sites. You don't get angry about those. They're invisible, our victims. But the victims in Ukraine and there certainly are a lot of victims in Ukraine, were shown to you over and over and over and over and over again as though this was unique, as though only Vladimir Putin and the Russians do this in war - kill innocent people – even though that's what happens in every single war that is taking place on this planet right now, that the United States supports, that it involves itself in. But you just don't see those victims. 

The media showed you the victims over and over in Ukraine to get you angry because people are decent and if you show them the evils of war from one side, they're going to hate the other side and get forever invested in the idea of defeating them. I could see that in the first week, reason was being overridden and people's emotions had been exploited by a media that had united, as they always do, in a very tribalistic way, on “our side”, our side is good. Our president and our leader, we unite behind him in a time of war. We cheer for him when he goes to Kyiv, we become Americans, and our political differences stop at the border. All of this stuff has been used to indoctrinate Americans for decades about the glories and beauties of war. 

And this is how I was describing  – this was actually the first day of the war. This was a video I recorded before we had our regular show here on Rumble and had a kind of periodic System Update, two or three videos per month, and I tried to describe what I thought was coming. This was about a year ago on the eve of the Russian invasion. 

 

(Video 00:57:20)

G. Greenwald: Conversely, we're going to have an enormous amount of sympathy and a desire to help and protect and defend whoever we regard as the victim. It's for any normal, healthy, well-adjusted human being at a time of extremely high emotions. And I think we need to be aware of that for two reasons. The first of which is that any time we're in a state of high emotions, by definition, necessarily, our capacity to reason diminishes. If we are reacting to something with intense emotions, our ability to use rationality to react to the situation, to analyze it, is crowded out by the intensity of those emotions, even when those emotions are valid. In fact, particularly when those emotions are valid as the emotions that are pervasive now watching what's happening between Russia and Ukraine undoubtedly are. It doesn't matter whether the emotions are valid or not. The mere existence of intense emotions means that we lose our capacity, at least for the moment, to evaluate events and what our response should be, and how we should think about them with reason, with rationality. 

The other, and I think a more important thing to realize about how we react to war, the intensity of the emotions it provokes is that emotions, by their very nature, are very susceptible to manipulation. All power centers know how to manipulate and control emotion. They use fear. They use anger. They use revenge. They use a sense of righteous justice to move people. Governments have been studying this for a long time. 

 

I think that's pretty much what has happened. I mean, even if you want to look at this in the most realistic way, leave aside all the garbage propaganda – that's for the idiots at CNN and MSNBC about how we are going there to fight off authoritarianism or whatever – and you just look at it in like a geostrategic way, and you say, well, there's a benefit in separating Russia from Europe and preventing Germany and Western Europe from buying cheap natural gas from Russia in Nord Stream and buying it from us instead – and just generally weaken Russia – we've already achieved those aims. We blew up Nord Stream 2 or someone did. A big mystery. Right now, Russia is hoping that the Swedes will release their investigation while the United States, for some reason, hopes that the investigation doesn't get public. So maybe one day we'll find out what the great mystery is of who blew up Nord Stream 2. 

But Nord Stream 2 does not exist. Germany won't buy gas from Russia. They won't complete Nord Stream 2. We've already achieved that end. There's a breach between Russia and Europe, between Russia and Germany, and we pushed Russia into Chinese arms. Maybe that wasn't part of the goal. In fact, for the whole Cold War, the number one goal in Washington was to prevent Russia and China from uniting against the United States. This war has managed to do that. So, congratulations to Biden and his great diplomacy. But even if you think there were benefits to this war, they've all been achieved. What more is there left? 

The problem is once you work a population up to this extent and get the media so excited – and they really get excited by war. They love it. It gives them a purpose. And this whole thing about that melodramatic trip and the secrecy behind it – it gets their blood pumping, especially because they and their kids are not in danger. They just get to watch from afar. Whenever you get people hooked on this emotion, it's very hard to extricate them from it. And so having gotten Americans into this emotional state in both the Democrat and Republican Party, I think it's going to be very hard now for D.C. policymakers, even if they want to, to start justifying how we can wind down this war without things like taking back Crimea or pushing the Russians entirely out of Donbas, which is not going to happen if there's going to be a diplomatic solution. 

That's the conundrum that we’ve reached. And it's always worth remembering when a new war is proposed, it's vital that we resist these instincts that we all have that are tribalistic and emotional, and that we not let people play on those, and that instead we use our critical faculties, than our tribalistic ones, to evaluate what we're hearing, lest it be too late, as is the case, I think, for this war. 

So, we've certainly been covering this war from the beginning. We will continue to cover it as it goes on. 


 

We do have another story for you tonight, though, which is about the fact that we have seen a great deal of footage from the January 6 riot at the Capitol, which was more than two years ago. We have, however, seen only a portion of that footage. The portion that we've seen is the portion that the Jan. 6 Committee chose to show us. The portion that we have not seen is the portion that the Jan. 6 Committee chose to conceal from us. 

I don't think anyone here needs a reminder that the Jan. 6 Committee was completely united in their political and ideological crusade. The only Republicans on that committee were Adam Kinzinger and Liz Cheney, both of whom were even more devoted to destroying Trump and sabotaging his movement than the Democrats on that committee were. That's why they were on that Committee. Remember, Nancy Pelosi rejected two of Kevin McCarthy's nominees to be on the Committee and that had never happened in the history of the House before, which is why he said, “I'm not going to nominate any Republicans” and so, Nancy Pelosi hand-picked her two favorites. It was a totally partisan committee that was united in every way in their single-minded effort. And they chose for you which clips you got to see and which clips you didn't. And people have been rightly wanting to see all surveillance footage of Jan. 6, so that we can know whether what has been shown to us is representative of what happened or whether what has been concealed tells another part of the story that has not yet been told. 

Kevin McCarthy, the speaker of the House who was in control of this for a year now, has decided to give it to a news organization, Fox News, and specifically to Tucker Carlson. So here is the AP report on that. Before we get to the reaction, here's exactly what happened. 

 

Thousands of hours of surveillance footage from the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol are being made available to Fox News Channel host Tucker Carlson, a stunning level of access granted by House Speaker Kevin McCarthy that Democrats swiftly condemned as a “grave” breach of security with potentially far-reaching consequences. The hard-right political commentator [Not a journalist. He's the hard-right political commentator] said his team is spending the week at the Capitol, poring through the video and preparing to reveal their findings to his viewers. But granting exclusive access to sensitive Jan. 6 security footage to such a deeply partisan figure is a highly unusual move seen by some critics as essentially outsourcing House oversight to a TV personality who has promoted conspiracy theories about the attack. “It's a shocking development that brings in both political concerns but, even more importantly, security concerns”, said Rep. Dan Goldman, D-N.Y., who was [is the heir to a billionaire family fortune who is just elected by the very liberal Democrats in Manhattan] the chief counsel during President Donald Trump's first impeachment trial. [So, you know, he's super nonpartisan and objective].

“Unfortunately, the apparent disclosure of sensitive video material is yet another example of the grave threat to the security of the American people represented by the extreme MAGA Republican majority”, Hakeem Jeffries, D-N.Y. [the current House minority leader] said in a letter to House colleagues. (AP News. Feb.22, 2023) 

That’s from AP, that's their idea of a neutral, objective news story trying to tell you what happened. It sounds like a press release from the Democratic National Committee. 

Now, what we have here is a politician, Kevin McCarthy, handpicking a journalist to provide material to, which is exactly what has already happened. As I said, the Jan. 6 Committee is already a politicized, highly partisan body that handpicked what they wanted you to see and kept the rest from you. 

Tucker Carlson, who has a different perspective, is going to go into that surveillance footage and find out what was hidden from you to see if there's anything there that negates the narrative of the Jan. 6 Committee and provides new insight into what actually happened on that day. You would think the media would be happy about this because this is an opportunity for more transparency to see footage of a very important event, or at least one they think is very important, the insurrection, that we have not seen. We're about to shine a light on things that have been kept in darkness. And how does the media feel about that? We know. 

Here from The Hill reminding us The Washington Post actually changed its motto. They adopted a new motto just for the Trump era. They still have it, though. It's called “Democracy Dies in Darkness.” 

The Washington Post has a new slogan on its homepage: “Democracy Dies in Darkness.” The motto, one that has been used periodically in the past by Washington Post columnist and editor, Bob Woodward, was first spotted on Friday (The Hill. Feb 22, 2017). 

 

This must mean that the media is celebrating this huge amount of transparency we are about to get and finally seeing a bunch of footage that a partisan body kept from us as it showed us one it wanted to see. Is that correct? 

Let's take a look at the video of how the media has reacted here. Let's start with what is going on MSNBC and NBC. Here is the always sober and insightful NBC host Joy Reid interviewing Congressman Jamie Raskin, who is a Democrat. He is also a member of the Jan. 6 Committee. So, remember the person you're about to see was already part of the body that hand-picked surveillance videos and showed it to you while keeping the rest. Listen to what he says in his reaction to this news. 

 

(Video 01:07:26) 

Joy Reid, MSNBC: I mean, are we in danger of not just that of people trying to twist this footage, cut little pieces of it that they think will help criminals get out of jail or get out of trouble? […]  But also, I'm concerned that these are the people that the Russians listen to, including Tucker, that he can put on something that is false, not real, but that he's very useful to our enemies, including knowing where the security cameras are on Capitol Hill. 

 

There seems to be some fish life consuming the right part of Joy Reid's body, but let's ignore that. I think one of the things I want to focus on instead is do you notice how they cannot discuss any kind of political debate without instantly invoking the Russians? Tucker's going to show the Russians where the security footage is and then the Russians are going to go and invade the Capitol. Is that what's going to happen? 

We saw so much of this surveillance footage that shows where the cameras are in, shows so much of where everything else is, and instead of questioning the journalistic aspect, which I think is valid – why should one journalist get this and not have it released to the public at large, which I'll get to in a second – instead, she immediately goes to “this helps Russia.” It's a national security threat to allow Tucker Carlson, instead of Liz Cheney, to pick and choose which video footage you get to see and what you don't get to see. And here's how Jamie Raskin responded. 

 

(Video 01:08:580)

Jamie Raskin: Well, look. Tucker Carlson is a pro-Putin, pro-war band, pro-autocrat and propagandist. So, while we've got the press in the United States over in Ukraine expressing solidarity with the forces of democratic freedom, Kevin McCarthy is releasing these tapes to one network, not making it public for everybody, not giving it to CNN and MSNBC and The New York Times but giving it to Fox News and to Tucker Carlson so he can forward his propaganda theories. 

 

So, he at least aside from also invoking the scary boogeyman of Vladimir Putin, which is all that occupies these people's minds and I guess I should also say, I think a major reason for the Democratic Party unanimous support for the war in Ukraine is really because they want to punish Putin for the perceived role they think he played in helping Hillary Clinton lose the 2016 election to Donald Trump. That's why Russia is still at the forefront of their mind with regard to everything. But he's also voicing this journalistic critique that why should one network get this information? Why shouldn’t we all get it? That is something that we're hearing a lot of. 

Here is Frank Figliuzzi, who used to be the associate director of the FBI, and like pretty much every single senior operative of the U.S. Security State, he now, for some reason, is employed by corporate media outlets. They just bring on. Here's our colleague from the CIA, your colleague from the NSA and your colleague from the FBI. And he came on to this show. It's called “The 11th Hour” by… I forgot her name. Stephanie Something. No one watches, but we're going to show it to you anyway. Stephanie Ruhle, I think, and here is them discussing the fact that Kevin McCarthy has chosen to give this material to Fox News. 

 

(Video 01:10:46) 

S. Ruhle: Frank, people could find this move on McCarthy's part unscrupulous, dangerous, disgusting, terrible but is it legal? Because he doesn't care what our opinions are? 

 

F. Figliuzzi: Yeah, he's the speaker. He made this call all by himself, apparently, we don't know what transpired between him and Tucker Carlson, why he chose Tucker, for example. But it's done. So now we have to live with the ramifications. What are the ramifications? From where I look at this, there are legit security concerns. What are they? For example, we have seen video clips from January […]

 

Do you think it's weird, by the way, that a news network, when it comes time to question somebody about what media outlets should report and how journalists should report them, calls on to the television to tell you about this, the former senior official from the FBI? Do you think the FBI and its senior operatives should be opining, should be arbitrating what is and is not legitimately reported by a journalist and how journalism should be conducted? I don't. 

And yet, these are the people they always bring on to opine on all of this. They are completely aligned with, completely allied with, in bed with the entire superstructure of the U.S. Security State. They don't really bring them on to talk about the FBI or the CIA or the Pentagon, things that are at least within the ambit of their arguable expertise. These are the people who shape the news. They go right from the CIA and the FBI and the NSA and the Pentagon, in the Defense Department, right into the largest media corporations in the world. 

As I pointed out before, in the Cold War, they used to have to do this clandestinely. That's one of the things that was shocking and the Church Committee uncovered – it was how they were shaping and influencing the news. Now they do it out in the open. 

So, now they have him saying that Tucker Carlson is reporting on what you've already seen Jan. 6 surveillance footage – hours and hours of it – as a national security threat because of what he might choose to show you that they didn't choose to show you. 

 

F. Figliuzzi: […] where we see Nancy Pelosi being escorted off the floor of Congress and then the next shot we see, and only the next shot we see, is a video of her in a safe room. Right? We don't see her being transited through a particular pathway. We don't see the entrance to the safe room. We don't know where that is. Those are the kinds of things, code words with Capitol Police officers on strategy tactics where camera angles show hidden cameras within the Capitol building, all of that could be exposed if it's done irresponsibly without a secure review. And I think that's what we're dealing with here. That's what concerns you. 

 

So, basically, what's going to happen is Tucker Carlson is going to get the security footage and he's going to look for the part that shows where the safe room is. And then he's going to go on air and he's going to draw a map for the Russians, for Vladimir Putin in the Kremlin. He's going to show the Kremlin where the safe room is. And this is why you should be scared. 

Leave aside the whole thing about Russia and the thing about how they're going to find out the security footage and all of that and the code words – it's just such idiocy, you know, for people who have the brains of 12-year-olds, all of this.

Let's look at the journalists that complained that this should be released to numerous news outlets or the public at large and not just given to one media outlet to curate, because I'm not entirely unsympathetic to that argument. I nonetheless want to review how hypocritical it is in this case. 

And of course, let me just show you Adam Schiff's reaction, because, you know, that's always also very sober and reasoned. Adam Schiff said, 

“Kevin McCarthy turned over Jan. 6 videos to right-wing propagandist Tucker Carlson” [..].

 It's amazing, isn't it, how the most partisan Democrat in Congress, Adam Schiff, describes it exactly the way he did.

 “A man who spews Kremlin talking points suggests Jan. 6 was a false flag. ‘’     And spreads the big lie”. 

That itself is a lie. Tucker Carlson has never claimed the 2020 election, what they called the big lie, was fraudulent. 

“Make no mistake, this isn't about transparency. It's about fueling dangerous conspiracy theories” (Feb. 20, 2023). 

 

This critique that it's wrong for someone like Kevin McCarthy in government to take important material and give it to one news outlet only, he should instead give it to multiple ones, might be a fair critique, except for the fact that that's how journalism is done every single day and none of these people object ever. In fact, they live on that. That's how their careers are built every single day, literally every day, people inside the U.S. government – the CIA, the FBI, the Pentagon, the NSA, the Justice Department, the Congress – take nonpublic information and they don't release it on the Internet for everyone to see. They hand-feed it to their favorite journalist, the journalist who they know will do their bidding and tell the story as they want it told. That's how journalism works in every case. And even when there are motives that are good, that's how it works. When Daniel Ellsberg had the Pentagon Papers, he didn't just dump them on the Internet. He took it to The New York Times. He handpicked The New York Times to tell the story. No one complained about that. When Edward Snowden had the NSA archive. He chose the journalist with whom he wanted to work, myself and Laura Poitras. And there were people complaining about that, but not because they were complaining about the process. They were complaining that they weren't the ones who got it. Bob Woodward said Snowden should have come to me. But that's how journalism works all the time, is that the source has information and picks the journalist with whom they want to work. 

They're not mad that this video footage has been given to one news organization. They're mad that it's been given to Fox instead of NBC or CNN or The New York Times, the ones on the other side of the narrative. And the reason they're mad about that is that they know that what Tucker is going to try and do is find the parts of the footage that have been concealed from you by the Jan. 6 Committee precisely because it negates the narrative they want to promote. 

So, that's the only thing that's going on here. I would prefer that all news outlets had it so we could all go through it but this is how it's done all the time. Every single major news story is done by them feeding – we learned, for example, that 51 former intelligence officials signed a letter falsely claiming that the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation, or at least it had the hallmarks of Russian disinformation, because as you see here, they called Natasha Bertrand on the phone, and she was the first one who got to publish that article, on October 18, 2020. “Hunter Biden Story is Russian disinformation. Dozens of former intel officials say”. No one complained. Why did they hand-feed this to Natasha Bertrand? The CIA has been feeding hand-picked stories to Natasha Bertrand for years, but she then goes and reports on Politico, The Atlantic, MSNBC, Business Insider and now CNN, where she works. It happens every day that they handpick her. 

Do you remember when the FBI searched Donald Trump's home in Mar a Lago to look for “nuclear documents”? Only certain media outlets got that story, one of which was The Washington Post. There you see the headline. “FBI Searched Trump's Home to Look for Nuclear Documents and Other Items, Sources Say”. And the article said as the former president said on social media, that he won't oppose a Justice Department request to unseal the search warrant, The Washington Post reported,

 

Classified documents relating to nuclear weapons were among the items FBI agents sought in search of former President Donald Trump's Florida residence on Monday, according to people familiar with the investigation”., They went to the Washington Post office. “The people who describe some of that material that agents were seeking spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation. They did not offer additional details about what type of information the agents were seeking, including whether it involved weapons belonging to the United States or some other nation. Nor did they say if such documents were recovered as part of the search (The Washington Post. August 12, 2022). 

 

But what they wanted was the headline that they got, which was a very incriminating headline, the most incriminating one possible, despite the fact that there was no evidence for it. “FBI Searched Trump's Home to Look For Nuclear Documents”. They got the most inflammatory and sensationalized headlines they could get and they got that because they hand-picked the news outlet, The Washington Post, that they knew would do that. 

Remember when Roger Stone got arrested at 6 a.m. by the FBI? And it just so happened that CNN was there and then CNN had to publish a story trying to report how it explained how this happened from January 25, 2019, how CNN captured video of the Roger Stone raid. And they claim they grouped together all these different little clues because, of course, people wanted CNN to be there. But Roger Stone got carried away in handcuffs. They didn't call Fox News. They didn't call Matt Taibbi. They didn't call The Grayzone. They called the news outlet they knew would do this in the most favorable way. This is how journalism works all the time. 

So, I would love it if Kevin McCarthy would order the surveillance footage put on the Internet. The problem is, it's the same reason Edward Snowden didn't dump all the information he had on the Internet, which is he didn't want there to be security breaches. He wanted us to carefully curate the information, make sure that no one was being put in harm's way, to go to the government, give the government a chance to say, oh, don't publish that document, if you publish that document, X, Y and Z will happen and then try and persuade us not to publish it. And most of the time that didn't work because the government’s claims are very vague. We knew they just didn't want us revealing how they were spying on people but there were a couple of occasions when they convinced us that if we were to publish documents that would result in genuine harm to innocent people and we didn't publish it. 

So, Frank Figliuzzi was claiming that he wants there to be a security review of this material before its release. Presumably, Fox will do that. They have responsible reporters. If you were to just throw it on the Internet or make it available to every single news organization that asked, that would exacerbate the security concerns and harms they claim they're worried about. 

What they're really worried about and angry about is they know that if there is footage that the Jan. 6 Committee didn't show you because it hides some kind of narrative they don't want you to know about, some facts they don't… They know Tucker Carlson and probably he alone in the corporate media will actually show it to you. Some other people on Fox are likely as well. That's what they're so upset about. They lost the monopoly they had in which of the footage you get to see, before, it was just Liz Cheney and Adam Schiff picking it. Do you feel confident that you got to see everything you should see based on what Adam Schiff and Liz Cheney decided they wanted to show you and what they thought should be hidden? I don't. I'm really glad there are people with different politics and different perspectives going through the rest of that material so we can get the full picture of it. 

If someone wants to say Kevin McCarthy should share it with multiple news organizations, I have no problem with that. As long as they don't pretend as they're pretending that that's the way it's normally done, the way it's normally done in Washington every single day, their entire careers are built on having people inside these government agencies feed information to them, knowing how obsequious and obedient they are to the source's agenda. So, ignore everything these people are saying because none of what they're saying about why they're mad is really why they're mad. What they're mad about is we're finally going to get to see the full story. Maybe we've already been shown the full story, but what they're scared of is that we haven't. And now, we're going to find out. And anyone who's actually interested in the truth and in transparency should be applauding this and not denouncing it. 

 

So, that is our show for tonight. We are very happy to be back after a few days off. As we said, we’ve taken a few days off, recharge your batteries, and come back with what we always hope is high-quality programming. We will be back tomorrow night and every night at 7 p.m. EST, exclusively here on Rumble, at our regular time. And on Tuesdays and Thursdays as well, we have our aftershow on Locals where we take your questions and respond to your feedback. Join our Locals community as well. Click the join sign right below the video on your screen on the Rumble page and you will be part of that community and will help support our journalism as well. 

Thanks, everybody for watching. 

Have a great night. 

We will see you back here tomorrow night.

 

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I loved Glenn's lil dig at Lex Friedman on Monday's show :) Called him "incredibly dynamic, super charismatic, always very insightful and innovative" lol. And then i thought "wait - i actually know somebody like that!" 💖🤗

She's not a podcaster, tho. She's a professor and she covers lots of interesting topics like economics & governance, tech, media, ethics, game theory, systems theory, etc. Her channel is called "The New Enlightenment with Ashley". I love her videos bc they have depth without being too long, and I'm very visual in my thinking so I love that she uses lots of pictures to illustrate her ideas. She has like a sing-songy cadence to her speech that I found a little hard to get used to at first (I don't know anybody who talks like her lol) but after watching like 2 or 3 videos, I didn't mind it anymore :)  

Anyway, if you guys like Nate Hagens, Dan S., Rebel Wisdom ppl, etc. I think you will like her, too. She has 2 intro videos: the first one below is ...

“Brilliant”, “heroic”, “tenacious”, “integrity personified” - These are some terms I’ve used to describe Glenn Greenwald. But after hearing the Sam Harris segment on Friday’s show, I have to add “absolutely fucking hilarious” to my list of applicable descriptors. Glenn’s sometimes-deadpan dry wit gets a laugh out of a few times a week, but that one had me rolling for 10 minutes solid. So much love, brother!

@ggreenwald I don't know if everyone has watched this already, but I'm going to post it on here anyway because it is such a fantastic conversation.
I'm a contractor who works construction. I work in what may be one of the last industries here in Canada that is completely free of gender or racial "equality" when it comes to hiring. My wife, friends, and most of the people I'm very close with, share a similar deep belief in liberty, freedom and individualism and the deep hatred of any kind of racial or gender politics I do. I really believe in Austrian economics and think socialism can't and has never worked. So clearly, Briahna and Glenn come from the opposite end of the political spectrum and also come from a much different world than I do, but hearing them talk about bringing the left and right together to form coalitions on all the important issues hits hard. I love it. I really think it's what Glenn tries do in his work and I find that so noble. And interesting, as I don't have much access to...

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Trump Mocks Concerns About Epstein; Trump Continues Biden's Policy of Arming Ukraine; Trump and Lula Exchange Barbs Over Brazil
System Update #483

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 Much of the MAGA world was in turmoil, confusion and anger yesterday –understandably so – after the Trump DOJ announced it was closing the Epstein files and its investigation with no further disclosures of any kind. After all this happened, some attempt was made to try and pin the blame or isolate the blame for all of this on Attorney General Pam Bondi. Yet, Donald Trump himself, today, when asked about all of this, went much further than anyone else when meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in the White House again: President Trump actually mocked and angrily dismissed any concerns over the Epstein matter and how it was handled. 

On our second segment, one of the uniting views of Trump supporters over the last four years has been opposition to the Biden administration's policy of arming, funding, and fueling Ukraine in its war against Russia. Yesterday, however, at the same meeting with Netanyahu, Trump announced that he would continue the Biden policy that he had spent so many years criticizing by now providing defensive arms at least to Ukraine, and he did so based on the longstanding neocon/liberal view that Putin is completely untrustworthy and therefore Russia must be thought because of Putin. That's what Trump himself said. 

Then, we’ll comment on Trump’s lengthy tweet attacking Brazil for its ongoing prosecution of former Brazilian president Jair Bolsonaro, during the BRICS Summit being held in Rio de Janeiro. This was something we were going to cover last night and didn't have time to, but we will tonight. Brazil's President Lula da Silva quickly responded, very defiantly, by basically telling Trump to mind his own business. 

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Last night, we covered quite extensively the decision by the Trump Justice Department, not even six months into the administration, to completely shut down and close and stop all investigations into Jeffrey Epstein, as well as announcing that there will be no further disclosures of any documents of any kind, that whatever they've released so far, which has basically been nothing – not basically, has been nothing – is all you're going to get. 

This is a blatant betrayal of multiple promises made by key Trump officials over the last four years, before they were in the White House, but was also a complete 180 in terms of what key Trump influencers and pundits had been saying, including several pundits who are now running the FBI, such as Kash Patel and Dan Bongino, as well as the Justice Department, including Pam Bondi. 

We even showed you an interview that Alina Habba, the Trump attorney who is now the U.S. attorney for New Jersey, appointed by Donald Trump, did with Pierce Morgan while she was in the government, just in February, where she claimed they have a whole bunch of very incriminating lists with shocking names. She said there's video and there are all kinds of documents that are shocking, in her words, and she said they're going to be released over time because we've gone long enough where people who do these sorts of things, including are involved in the Epstein scandal, have no accountability. She said that is ending with the Trump administration. There's going to be accountability. 

Yesterday, the Trump Justice Department said, “No, there's nothing here. We looked. There's no such thing as a client list.” We know we've been promising and that JD Vance repeatedly said, “Where's the client list?” Donald Trump Jr. said, “Anyone hiding the client lists is a scumbag.” Dan Bongino, Kash Patel, Pam Bondi accused Biden officials of basically covering up predatory pedophilia by refusing to release the Jeffrey Epstein client list. Now, they're saying there's no client list, that thing we've been talking about and accusing Biden officials of hiding and promising to disclose, that doesn't exist. 

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Trump DOJ: There's Nothing to the Epstein Story; State Dept: Syria's Al-Qaeda are No Longer "Terrorists"
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One of the most significant scandals among MAGA pundits and operatives within pro-Trump discourse generally over the last four years has been the one involving Jeffrey Epstein. 

Now, in less than five months, the DOJ announced today, the one under Pam Bondi, that they are closing the investigation, given the certainty that they say they have that Epstein had no client list. There's no such thing as an Epstein client list, he never tried to blackmail anyone and no powerful people were involved whatsoever with his sexual abuse of minors. They also say that he undoubtedly killed himself: there's no question about that. 

All of this is such a blatant betrayal of what was promised all of these years, such that all but the most blindly loyal Trump followers – like the real cult numbers, a lot of them almost certainly paid to be that – are reacting with understandable confusion and anger over what happened today and over the last several months. We'll delve into all of this and what this means. 

Then, Secretary of State Marco Rubio announced today that the group that al-Golani once led, long known as al-Qaeda's affiliate in Syria, is no longer officially a designated terrorist group. This is al-Qaeda. We'll explore what all of this shows about the utterly vacant and manipulated propaganda terms, terrorist and terrorism. 

As a note, we did not have enough time, so we’ll talk about President Trump’s tweet attacking Brazil and its government, on the day of the BRICS Summit in Rio de Janeiro, some other time soon.

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Earlier today, the Justice Department issued a statement, essentially announcing that they no longer consider any of the questions surrounding what had long been the Epstein scandal to be worthwhile investigation; that essentially all of these questions have been answered, that there's really nothing to look into. 

You can read the Justice Department's statement here.

They're saying this client list that most Trump supporters, I would say, have been accusing the U.S. government, of hiding to protect all the powerful people on this list, now, that they're in power – people like Pam Bondi, Dan Bongino and Kash Patel, now they're in charge – they're saying, no, actually there is no client list at all. There's at least no incriminating client list, whatever that means. 

I don't know if there is a client list or not, but according to them, there's no incriminating client list. I don't know how you can have a client list that's not incriminating: to be a client of Jeffrey Epstein seems inherently incriminating. They seem to have said what the White House briefing said today when asked about this, because as we'll show you, Pam Bondi went on Fox News and was asked, “Are you going to release the client list?” And she said, “It's sitting on my desk for review.” 

Trump had strongly suggested he would order it released. Now they're saying, “You know what? There is no client list.” 

So, all these claims that Jeffrey Epstein had recordings of prominent individuals who he invited to his island, who had sex with minors, evidently, there's no incriminating material of any kind that would implicate any powerful person. Just not there, they checked. They checked the storage closets, they looked under the beds, just couldn't find anything. All the stuff they had been claiming was there for years, screaming and pounding the table on podcasts, making a lot of money over it, too, accusing Biden officials of hiding this all for corrupt ends, just not there. They looked, couldn't find it. 

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Glenn Takes Your Questions on the Ukraine War, Peter Thiel and Transhumanism, Trump’s Middle East Policies, the New Budget Bill, and More
System Update #481

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I don't know if you heard, but there's some breaking news, and that is that tomorrow is July 4, which in the United States is a major holiday. The Fourth of July is the day that we celebrate our independence from the tyranny of the British Crown. Tomorrow we will be taking the holiday off in large part because the appetite for watching political content or political news apps and some big political story on July 4 is quite reduced and so everyone can use a three-day weekend. 

What we usually do on Friday night is the Q&A session, something very important to us and something that we try to do at least once a week because it's one of the main benefits that we believe not only give to our Locals members but also receive from them. 

It's always kind of a hodgepodge, but it always ends up as one of our most interesting shows, we think, throughout the week, one of the shows that produces the best reaction. Since we're not doing a show on Friday, we're going to do it tonight instead. We have some excellent questions. There's one really confrontational question – I was going to say a bitchy question, but I want to be a little more professional in that – let's say confrontational questioning, critical. We're going to try to deal with that one as well. 

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So one of the things that shows throughout the week is that I happen to speak a lot. I analyze things, I dissect things, I read evidence, I show you videos, I talk to guests, I ask them questions. And what we try to do on our Q&A is to be respectful with the question and give an in-depth answer. 

I'd rather answer four or five by giving in-depth answers that I hope are thought-provoking than just speeding through them. I'd rather do a substantive response to four or five than a quick, superficial one to nine or 10. So let's go do that. 

The first one is from @If TruthBeTold and this is what they asked: 

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Well, let's begin with the fact that there is a reasonably effective instrument for preventing foreign interests and foreign lobbies from exerting influence in our country in a way that's stealthy or covert; that’s the FARA registration, which requires foreign agents acting on behalf of other countries to register as such so that everybody knows if they're slinking around Congress, whispering in politicians' ears, asking for legislation on behalf of a foreign government because they've disclosed it. 

And so if you work for the Iranian government, they're paying you to influence members of the legislator, if you do that for Qatar, if you do it for Russia, if you do it for Saudi Arabia – and the premise of the question correct, huge numbers of foreign interests lobby in the United States, you're required to declare that publicly on a FARA registration form and you can go see those, they're publicly available, and you can see who's lobbying on behalf of foreign governments for pay. 

One of the problems is that, for some reason – and you can fill in the blanks here – AIPAC has become exempt from that requirement. AIPAC is a lobbying group that reports to the Israeli government, meets all the time with the Israeli government, and gets funding from Israeli sources. Ted Cruz tried to deny that AIPAC is operating on behalf of a foreign government. Tucker Carlson asked him, “Well, has there ever been a single position that AIPAC has taken that deviates from the Netanyahu government?” and Ted Cruz said, “Sure, they do it all the time.” And Tucker Carlson said, “Oh, that's great. Why don't you name one?” And of course, Ted Cruz couldn't because it never happens, because AIPAC is an arm of the Israeli government trying to exert influence in the United States. 

And yet, for some reason, for a lot of reasons, in contrast to all the other examples I just named, when you have to fill out a foreign agent registration form, people who work for AIPAC or on behalf of the Israel lobby don't. Their claim is, “Oh, we're not lobbying for Israel. We're lobbying for the United States. We just believe that if the United States does everything that Israel wants, that's good for the United States. We're an American group. We're patriotic. We're America first. We just think that America benefits when it does everything that the Israeli government tells it to do.” 

John F. Kennedy strongly advocated and started to demand that the predecessor group to AIPAC register as an agent of a foreign government. He couldn't understand why it didn't have to, alone among all the other groups. And it never ended up happening because JFK's presidency ended when he was killed. 

Again, I'm not drawing any kind of causal link there. I'm not even trying to imply it. I'm just giving you the chronology as to why that never came back. And since then, nobody has ever talked about that. So, that's one thing. The other is that AIPAC is uniquely well-financed in terms of being a lobby operating on behalf of foreign governments. It hides that in a lot of ways, but I'll just give you an example. In the last Congress, there were two members in particular who AIPAC identified as being too critical of Israel. They were both Black members of Congress who represented primarily Black, poor districts, and the rhetoric started to become, which is threatening to AIPAC, ‘Wait, why are we sending billions and billions and billions of dollars to Israel when Israelis enjoy things like better access to health care and more subsidies for college than our own citizens do, when millions of Israelis have better standards of living than millions of people in the United States, including in my district? Why are we sending the money there instead of keeping it at home and improving our lives? 

Two of the people they identified as highly vulnerable were Jamaal Bowman and Cori Bush. I've certainly had criticisms of both of them, particularly Jamaal Bowman, but also Cori Bush – but that's not why AIPAC was interested in moving them from Congress. They poured $15 million – $15 million into a single house district in a Democratic primary – they found this Black politician in St. Louis to challenge Cori Bush, who promised to be an AIPAC puppet, and he has kept his promise. Wesley Bell is his name. He should put AIPAC in the middle of his name because it's much more descriptive of what he is now. And they just removed Cori Bush from Congress and put in this person who is basically the same as Cori Bush, except he loves and worships and devotes himself to Israel, never criticizes it. 

They did the same with Jamaal Bowman. They got George Latimer, who's white, but he was a county executive known in the district, and they poured $15 million into that. I don't know of any other interest group on behalf of a foreign government that has not just the ability, but the brazenness, the willingness, to be so open about destroying people’s careers in Congress that they're not sufficiently loyal to a foreign government. 

So the question is, well, what's the solution? Are you more willing to consider the problem of money in politics? I've never doubted the problems of big money in politics. I've always recognized that there are massive problems with huge amounts of money in politics. The founders did as well. They were capitalists. Obviously, they weren't opposed to financial inequality. They were often very rich themselves, property owners and the like, but they also warned that massive inequality in the financial realm can easily spill over into something they did want to avoid, which is inequality in the political realm or the legal realm. And clearly that's happening. 

The problem is, how do you restrict the expenditure of money for political purposes without running afoul of the First Amendment? Let me just give you an example of what this kind of law would entail. This was at the heart of Citizens United, which was the five-to-four Supreme Court decision in 2010 that invalidated certain amounts of financial campaign finance restrictions on the grounds that it violated the First Amendment. 

Let's say you're a group that wants to improve conditions for the homeless, and you want to bring attention to the problems of the homeless and solutions you really believe in as a citizen; you're just like trying to pursue a political cause that you believe in. You get together a bunch of money from your friends from other groups, you save your money and use that money to publish films, ads and documentaries about which politicians are helping the homeless and which ones are harming them. Then, you also may hire somebody who has influence in Congress, who can get you into doors to talk to members of Congress, to try to persuade them to enact legislation that will help the homeless. If you have laws that say that you can't lobby, you can’t spend money on political advocacy. It's not just going to mean that Israel and Raytheon can't go into Congress or that Facebook and Palantir can't; It's going to mean that nobody can. And that clearly is a restriction on your ability to, not your ability but your right under the Constitution to petition your government for redress, to speak freely about grievances you have against your government. 

I've always thought the better solution than trying to restrict First Amendment rights by eliminating money from politics is to equalize it through public campaign financing. So, if your opponent raises $10 million through billionaire spending or very rich people, the government will match your funds and give you $10 billion. 

We do have matching funds in certain places. We also have a better tradition and culture of small-dollar donors that compete with big-money donors. I mean Bernie Sanders' campaign drowned in money in 2016 because of small donors. AOC has insane amounts of money that largely come from small donors over the internet. Donald Trump had a ton of small donors, in addition to very big ones. Zohran Mamdani, actually, got so much money at the start of the campaign from grassroots donors that he actually asked them not to give anymore because, under the matching fund system of the city, where you can raise money up to a certain level and then they match it, he reached the maximum. He didn't need any more money because he wanted to get the matching funds. 

That has been encouraging; the internet and various fundraising networks enable small donor contributions to a huge amount, making people competitive, who aren't relying on big money. But once you start trying to regulate how people can spend their money for political causes, remember Citizens United grew out of an advocacy group, they were conservative, they produced a documentary, publishing, highlighting and documenting what they believed were the crimes and corruptions of the Clintons before the 2008 election. So, they made a film about one of the most powerful politicians on Earth and it contained information they wanted the general public to see before voting, potentially making her president. And that was, they were told, a violation of campaign finance laws because they were a nonprofit, and under the campaign finance laws in question, corporations, including nonprofits or unions, were banned from spending money 60 days before an election. 

That's why groups like the ACLU and labor unions sided with Citizens United and argued that this campaign finance law, which the court, by a 5-4 decision, overturned, is in fact unconstitutional. People forget the ACLU and labor unions that also would have been restricted, were also part of the urging of the majority decision, even though it's considered a conservative decision. 

I think there are much better ways to equalize the playing field when it comes to lobbying: make AIPAC and all of its operatives and the entire Israel lobby required to register under FARA, just like everybody else does. If they don't, they go to prison, just like anybody else does who doesn't file the FARA forms deliberately or intends to deceive. And then, also, find ways to make the playing field even without telling people, citizens, that they can't spend their money that they earn and that they make on political advocacy, on campaigns to convince the public of certain things against various other candidates. I think there are many better ways to do it than that. 

 

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All right, @TearDrinker asked the following. And this is somebody, I'm quite sure, that if you start crying, he gets so happy, he'll drink your tears. He looks for that. That's who asked this question. So, I think we do have a lot of very noble and benevolent people in our audience but we also have some very dark people in the audience and I think @TearDrinker is one of those. Nonetheless, the question is very good. We all have dark sides, good sides and bad sides. We're very complex. So is our audience. And here's his very good question: 

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I had several people on my show from the start who were vehement opponents of U.S. financing, NATO financing of the war in Ukraine. Jeffrey Sachs was one, John Mearsheimer was another and Stephen Walt was another. We had several people, we had members of Congress, Matt Gaetz and Marjorie Taylor Greene, part of the MAGA movement, Rand Paul as well, RFK Jr., when he was running for president. We had a lot of people but Professor Mearsheimer, Jeffrey Sachs and Stephen Walt in particular were overwhelmingly prescient in predicting what would happen, even though at the time you weren't allowed to say this because if you said this, if you said reality, you would get accused of being a Russian propagandist or pro-Kremlin or all the things they use to smear people who are questioning the prevailing propaganda. Just like we saw in this last war, if you questioned U.S. bombing of Iran or the Israeli attack on Iran, you were accused of pro-Mullahs, loving the Ayatollahs, same thing every time. 

One of the things that they were saying is like, “Look, it doesn't matter how many weapons you give to Ukraine, it does matter how much money you hand to Kiev.” Even if it didn't get all sucked up in the massive corruption that has long governed Ukraine – which of course it will, but let's assume it didn’t, let's just say it was a very honest, well-accounted for country driven by integrity and principle and all the money was used for exactly what it was earmarked for – even if that happened and even if the Ukrainian people were incredibly courageous and they were at the beginning but even so… 

You know, there's a dog behavior that I've seen so many times. If you go to a dog park and two dogs are going to fight and they're on neutral ground, no one owns the dog park, the stronger dog is likely to win. But if you took those same dogs and the weaker dog in the dog park was at home and the stronger one in the park went to the house of the weaker dog, the weaker dog would suddenly become very strong. And typically, I'm not saying in all cases, obviously a Poodle and a Rottweiler, it's going to be the same result, but I'm saying when it's even remotely close, when you're defending your home – and this is definitely true in the canine world, they fight much more passionately, much more aggressively, much more confidently. And I think that's the same for human beings. 

And so the Ukrainians were very feisty, very punching above their weight at the beginning but even so, and all these people on my show said it, and I got convinced, that it was true from the very start, even if everything went right for the Ukrainians, even if you give them everything they want, the simple fact that Russia is so much bigger and that this is going to be a ground war of attrition between two neighboring countries, meant that inevitably Russia was going to win. It might take a year, it might take two years, it might take five years. The only possibility is that the Ukrainian population of young men, and as they expanded the draft, it became middle-aged, young to middle-aged men, were going to be obliterated, were going to disappear and obviously were huge numbers of young Russian men, but they have so many more that they can just keep replenishing them and losing that amount without having any real effect on Russia, which is like a gigantic country. And that's what's happened between the people who were killed in Ukraine, the people who fled and deserted, and there are a lot of them. There's basically a generation of Ukrainian men missing, which in turn means women aren't dating and aren't marrying. It just destroys the whole society.

The last time we really heard any promises that there was going to be a change was in 2023. There was going to be this great counterattack during the summer, like David Petraeus and Max Boot and all the people who promised the same thing was going to happen in Iraq with the surge were they telling us, “No, this counterattack is going to change everything.” It didn't change anything. Russia has maintained the 22%, 23%, 24% of Ukraine that they occupied, and they've been expanding more and more. There's no way to stop that unless you send in NATO troops or U.S. troops to have a direct war with Russia, which would by definition be World War III. 

The EU, has these – I'm going to say they're primarily women and I say that because a lot of left-wing parties in Europe ran explicitly on the idea that they were going to put women in foreign policy positions because women are less likely to be militaristic, warmongering, seeking conflict, they're much more likely to rely on diplomacy to resolve disputes because it's more in the woman nature. This was the feminist argument, a very essentialist and reductive view of how women and men resolve conflicts. 

But instead, you look at these warmongers, and you're up there like Ursula von der Leyen, who's the president of the EU. Nobody elected her. She's a maniac, a sociopath. The foreign affairs minister is the former prime minister of Estonia. It's like a million people. She's now like the foreign minister; she goes around demanding more and more war. And then the Green Party in Germany is the worst. They ran on this feminist foreign policy explicitly. And they have Annalena Baerbock as the Foreign Minister: she sounds like something out of 1939, talking about the glories of war. 

And even with all that, the Europeans are going to send in troops, the Americans are going to send in troops and so the more we prolong this war, the more we destroy Ukraine, the country, and the more we sacrifice the lives of Ukrainians. And that has been the neocon argument. It's like, you don't have to worry. Americans aren't dying. It's the Ukrainians who are dying. Remember, they're not fighting voluntarily. They're conscripted. A lot of them are fleeing, a lot of them are deserting. They just don't have the people to fight. 

Over the last couple of weeks, there have been announcements that the U.S. is going to slow down or stop certain weapons transfers that had previously been allocated under the Biden administration. One of the people who is announcing this, who's deciding this, is Elbridge Colby. You remember that Elbridge Colby was one that the neocons tried so hard to stop his confirmation to the high levels of the Pentagon because his view has long been that we have no interest in a lot of the wars we fight, including in Ukraine, including in the Middle East, we ought to be focusing on China and the Pacific. And neocon groups that obviously want the United States focused on fighting in the Middle East, funding Ukraine, were desperate to keep him out. 

There are a few others. Some of those non-interventionists who made the high levels of the Pentagon, like Dan Caldwell, who ended up getting fired because they fabricated leaks against him that were completely fake. We'll do a show on that one time. But there are still several of them. And so Elbridge Colby, when he announced this policy, like, Look, we were going to ship all these munitions and missiles to Ukraine, but now we can't. The reason we can, and we have gone over this before, is because U.S. stockpiles are dangerously low. We don't have these missiles and munitions to give, at least not consistently with making sure that we have enough in the case we want to fight another war. And the reasons are obvious. We've been sending missiles and munitions and drones and everything else we have to Ukraine and to Israel to fuel their wars. 

Israel has multiple wars, not just in Gaza, but also in the West Bank, in Lebanon, in Syria. It has bombed the Houthis many times and attacked Iran. The United States has been arming and funding and just sending huge amounts of weaponry to Ukraine. And also remember, President Trump re-instituted and escalated President Biden's campaign of bombing the Houthis. And the idea was we're going to obliterate the Houthis. After a month, President Trump got the report and saw how much money we were spending, how many weapons we were using, how much money it was costing, and nothing was really getting done. We were killing a bunch of civilians and not really degrading the Houthis at all. And they told him, “Oh, sir, we just need nine more months.” But he ended it because he saw he was being deceived again. And we're very low on military stockpile, even though we spend three times more than any other country on the planet and more than the next 15 countries combined. 

This was one of the reasons why, although we've been told that Israel and the United States together achieved this massive, glorious war victory, Netanyahu and Trump are war heroes, when Trump called on Netanyahu to be immediately pardoned or have his corruption trial stopped, it was like, “Look, he just, with me, won a historic war.” It's very important for Trump and Israel to insist to people that they won this great war, this historic war, in 12 days. 

The reality is that the Israelis really couldn't fight that war for much longer. You saw with fewer and fewer missiles shot by Iran, not even most sophisticated yet, that more and more of a landing. We don't know the full extent of the damage in Israel because journalists will tell you they were absolutely and aggressively censored by the military from showing any hits on government or military buildings. The only things they were allowed to show were the occasional hits by the Iranians on a civilian building here, a residential building there, to create the false impression that they were targeting and only hitting civilian buildings, but a lot of Israel suffered a lot of damage. President Trump said that himself, that Israel took a huge pounding. They didn't have air defenses any longer. They were running out and the United States couldn't continue to supply them. We were running out of our own missiles that we use to shoot down Iranian missiles. Israel and the United States didn't end to that war at least as much as Iran did because we were so low on our stock files because we're fighting so many wars or funding so many wars. And so the argument of the Pentagon and Elbridge Colby is, “Look, we just don't have these weapons to keep giving to Ukraine. We need them for ourselves. If we keep giving them to Ukraine, we're not going to have any on our own and our priority should be our military and our protection and not Ukraine's.” 

If this were really a difference between Ukraine winning the war, if we give them the weapons as defined by NATO, which was always a pipe dream. However, the definition was expelling every Russian troop from every inch of Ukraine, including Crimea, which the Russians would never ever allow to happen. If it were a difference between Ukraine winning or Ukraine just getting rolled over, then I would say, okay, maybe there's a debate to be had. But the reality is we've been feeding them weapons into the fourth year now. It's four whole years, coming up on four years, three and a half years of not just the United States sending billions and billions of dollars, but also Europe, and Ukraine hasn't been saved. Ukraine has been destroyed. Ukrainians haven't been freed. They've been slaughtered in mass numbers. And that's all that's going to happen if we keep sending weapons there. 

Of course, the Europeans are relying on this fearmongering that Putin is not going to stop with Ukraine. He wants to eat up all of Ukraine. He's demonstrated many times that he's willing to do a peace deal that secures a buffer zone in eastern Ukraine that protects the ethnic Russians who speak Russian and feel they've been aggressively discriminated against by the Kiev government. The people of Crimea and various provinces in the east feel closer to Moscow than they do to Kiev. They identify as Russians and not Ukrainians. So, as long as Russia feels that, A, they can protect those people, and B, create a buffer zone between NATO and the West on the one hand and Russia on the other so it can't go right up to their border, they've always said they're willing to reach a deal. 

And remember, Ukraine and Russia they almost reached a deal at the very beginning of the war that didn't call for the complete sacrifice of Ukrainian sovereignty, but only those kinds of buffer zones or semi-autonomous regions to letting them vote, and that was the deal that Victoria Nuland and Boris Johnson swept in and told Ukraine they can't keep and they wanted this war to be a prolonged war to destroy Russia. So this fearmongering that Putin's going to eat up all of Ukraine and he's going to move to Poland and then he's like Hitler, he's going to sweep through Eastern Europe and then Central Europe, back to Austria and Germany and then is going to go to Paris again, this is idiotic. 

The Russians have had a hard time defeating Ukraine, albeit with, obviously, Ukraine's being aggressively backed by NATO. But even if they weren't, they were willing to do a deal that just provides Russian security. But wars always are raw and fearmongering, and so they've convinced a lot of people if we don't back the Ukrainians, Russia is going to just roll over and take over, annex Ukraine and rebuild the Soviet Union under this kind of view of Greater Russia that Putin supposedly has in mind, the way Israel is actually doing, creating Greater Israel. There's so much evidence that contradicts that, so little evidence that supports it, but at the end of the day, where are these people going to come from who are going to fight on the front lines in Ukraine? There aren't many left. We can drown that country with billions of dollars in weapons and the war is still going to end up the way it's going to end up. You may not like it, it may be sad to you, you may wish it were a different way, but that is just the reality. 

There have been experts saying it very bravely, I mean, Jeffrey Sachs used to go on “Morning Joe” all the time, until he started saying this, and he hasn't been on again. People get booted out of mainstream platforms, they get called all sorts of names, Russian agents, Kremlin propaganda, etc., but who cares? Those people were the ones who were absolutely right, which is why we kept putting them on our show. They were by far the most convincing people. And that is the nature of the war in Ukraine and the U.S. role in it. Even if we wanted to keep supplying the weapons, we simply don't have them because we've been fueling and arming far too many wars: our own, Israel's and Ukraine's. That's what happens. 

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I think this is the third question, and it comes from @BookWench. And this person, I believe, is a wench, self-described, I'm not being insulting, they're a wench. And they really like books. And if you're going to be a wench, I think it’s better to be a well-read wench than some ignorant one. It's a good friend of the show, often asks some really great questions. And here's the one submitted by this wench tonight. 

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She’s talking about our show last night. If you haven't seen it, that's a great summary of it. But we talked about the integration of Big Tech companies like Meta, OpenAI and Palantir increasingly into the media, while at the same time, Trump and big media corporations are reaching all sorts of nefarious agreements about what their coverage should and shouldn't be.

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I'll give you a parallel example to make this point, rather than just addressing this one directly. Oftentimes people focus on what words apply, like what inflammatory words apply, what shocking or extreme political jargon applies, and even if that jargon is important, even if it has fixed meaning, even if deserves to be applied, traditionally, I've tried to avoid arguments over words or labels because so many people feel so strongly about them that even if they might be open to your argument on the substance and the merits, the minute you use that word, a lot of people just shut off. 

That was why it took me a few months to call what Israel was doing in Gaza a genocide, not because I doubted that the term applied but just because there are a lot of people open to hearing the facts about what Israel is doing in Gaza and seeing how horrific and criminal and atrocious it is, but the minute you use the word genocide, they just kind of instantly turn away from it. I often make the assessment, I'd rather have the channel open for communication than use a word that I know that's just going to close that channel. 

A lot of times, though, it does become necessary to use that term, I don't just mean genocide, but a term that can't have that effect because it's indispensable to understanding the situation. And that's how I came to see the word genocide in Gaza and ethnic cleansing, even more so. You can't really talk about Gaza without talking about that intent. It's not my guess about that; it's based on the statements that the Israelis have made about their war objectives and then their actions that align with it. But in general, I like to avoid those kinds of words. 

Fascism is definitely one of them. I promise fascism is similar to my problem with genocide and there are a lot of other words like this. There are a lot of words that get thrown around that even if they have a clear and fixed meaning, the people throwing them around aren't very capable of defining in a very concrete, specific way what the words mean. Fascism, to me, has almost become colloquial for just, like, Hitler-like or authoritarian or using aggressive racist themes combined with abuse of government power but the word and concept Fascism is a lot more complex than that, and it involves a lot more prongs than that. 

People study fascism for years in universities. There are graduate programs where you study fascism. It's a philosophy, it's an ideology that was developed in a very specific historical context. It ended up shaping the Italian government in the 1930s under Mussolini and then, of course, the Germans; you could argue Franco in Spain also was an expression of it. But I just feel like throwing the word fascism around at Trump or the Republicans, or especially, of all, it means a kind of aggressive authoritarianism. It just doesn't serve any purpose because I think the Biden administration was extremely authoritarian in lots of different ways. I think most administrations of the last 25 years have been. Very few people spent more time vocally, vehemently condemning Bush-Cheney than I did. I wrote books about it, including arguments that they ought to be prosecuted for things they did, spying on Americans without warrants, torturing people and kidnapping them off the streets of Europe. But I don't think I ever called them fascists. Not because someone had studied or done that, would have been offended or argued that it didn't apply, but just because I don't think it helps the conversation any. 

I think one of the worst things the Biden administration did is essentially commandeered the power of Big Tech to control political discourse in the United States, dictating to Big Tech what they ought to suppress and what they are to permit. In doing so, they absolutely warped and suppressed crucial debates about COVID, about Ukraine, about even election integrity that ought to have been aired. One of the things that bothered me about it so much was that you had the government on the one hand and corporate power on the other in the form of Big Tech and the Biden administration was basically annexing the power of Big Tech and corporate power to control free speech. 

I often pointed out that, ironically, the Democrats love to call Donald Trump a fascist, uniting state and corporate power, eliminating the separation between them, where they each have different objectives, sometimes overlapping, sometimes not, but uniting them as one entity working toward exactly the same goal. That was what Hitler did. There was no arms industry that wasn't under the control of the government. There was no private sector not under the control of the government, all working toward a common theme and a common unity. 

That is what's happening here as well as these major corporations like OpenAI, Palantir and Facebook more and more directly and expansively integrate into the military, into the intelligence community, into the government. But there are other factors, other prongs of fascism as well, and people debate it. And so if I were to say that, oh, this is fascism, the Trump government is fascist or the Biden administration is fascist, it might be satisfying to people who want to hear that and who believe that. But for a lot of people, they would just turn that off as Fox junk in the case of Biden or MSNBC junk in the case of Trump, and oftentimes that is what it is, just junk. It's people spewing it without having any idea what those terms mean, just to get maximum emotional catharsis or provoke emotional reactions. 

I would much rather do what we did last night, which is spend 45 or 50 minutes, maybe an hour, however much we spent, showing people exactly what's happening, showing this integration between corporate and state power for surveillance purposes, for military purposes, for intelligence gathering. Talk about the dangers of it in a way that I hope people are open-minded, because we're showing them the evidence. The minute you start using terms that they're kind of inherently going to repel or just recoil from, I feel like I can call it fascism and congratulate myself, but I don't feel like it does much good. I feel like actually does the reverse. If these terms were very clearly agreed to specific meanings that everyone understood, I wouldn't have a problem with using them when they applied, but since they don't at all, I think these words are obfuscated. 

But I did point out last night, and I will say again, that integrating corporate and state power is a hallmark of fascism and whether all the other hallmarks of fascism are present, it's extremely dangerous for the reasons we delved into extensively last night if you want to understand more how we think about that and what we said you can, if you haven't already, check out last night's show

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All right, next question @KKtowas, who says this:

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I don't want to be too cavalier about paraphrasing this. The question did do a good job of describing it. I'd rather show the actual words. If you haven't heard it, it's really worth watching. I definitely understand why it provoked this question. 

So, let me focus on the part that I do actually feel comfortable paraphrasing, which is Ross Douthat did ask Peter Thiel, “Do you favor the continuation of the human race? Is this something that you actually think is a good thing?” 

Elon Musk has been asked this before. Part of what Elon Musk wants to do is make sure humanity is multiplanetary, starting with life on Mars. A lot of people think, ‘Oh, you must think that's because humanity on Earth is doomed; otherwise, why is it so important to you to make humanity multiplanetary?’ There are other reasons why you might, but that's a suspicion, and not just to make it multiplanetary because the Earth is doomed, but also to transform what it means to be human. 

This kind of philosophy has been popular among these more extreme Silicon Valley types of Transhumanism, something that transcends humanity or fundamentally transforms it. Typically, I think merging humanity with technology or with a machine for a superior being, it's definitely how a lot of them think of artificial intelligence. I, one time, got a root canal, which I hate as much as anybody – I think I hate it more, but probably everyone hates it equally – but one of the only good things about it is that it lasts for two hours. I have the time to sit and listen to podcasts that ordinarily I wouldn't have time to listen to, or the inclination, just because I have to have my brain distracted. I can't, even if my mouth is totally numb and I don't feel it. I don't like hearing what the dentist is doing. I don't want to think about what tools he's using and why. There's almost no job I'd rather have least than being a dentist and just constantly being in someone's mouth every day looking at their teeth. But whatever. So, I try to distract myself and one of the ways I did so is I listening to Mark Zuckerberg's appearance on Joe Rogan. He was talking at length about his vision that soon we're going to take all these devices, virtual reality devices and AI devices, and they're no longer going to be exterior instruments that we wear, like Googles on our head or phones or earpieces or things in our phone. It's going to be part of our anatomy. He was talking about drilling into brains in order to have this technology part of the human brain, and at first he said the first use is going to medical, somebody has a neurological injury or some other serious neurological problem, this machine will help them with that functionality. But critically, he was talking as well about an ultimate merger between technology and human beings, which in one way may not change the nature of human beings in the beginning. It's just kind of another instrument. You can imagine this earpiece. Say you wear an earpiece of the kind people commonly use now to listen to things on a computer, connected by Bluetooth to their phones. Does it really change humanity if, instead of just having this come in and out, it's just now implanted in our ears? Does it change humanity? Well, when you start talking about the brain and changing how our brains think and produce thought, or having AI be the future of what a human being should be, but in a spiritual form, that's clearly transhumanistic. That's transforming what a human being fundamentally is. 

There are all kinds of questions that come with that. If you believe in a soul, does this have a soul? And the way Mark Zuckerberg was so cavalier in talking about it, I found very creepy. 

Let me just say one thing. I think the question referenced that Peter Thiel stuttered when he answered and kind of had big pauses. Peter Thiel always does that. The reason is – and he's talked about this before, he's autistic – and that means you don't have the same capacity for social interaction. 

One of the things he said that I found super interesting was what he thinks the benefit of being autistic, not severely autistic, where you aren't verbal, can't interact with people at all, but somewhere on the spectrum of where he places himself. When you don't have autism and you're very clued into social cues – and we are social and political animals, we do interact as groups, we are not solitary beings – that if you're so aware of social cues and you're constantly receiving what social cues are, in a way it's making you more conformist, kind of morphing you into society, you understand what society expects of you, you understand what the society thinks, you understand what you're supposed to say in most situations. And he was saying that that can really make you conformist. It can kind of just make you part of this blob. Whereas he sees his autism as almost a gift because feeling detached, excluded, or isolated from majoritarian societal sentiments, ethos and mores forces you to see things differently, to look at things differently. And then that, of course, is the kind of thing that can lead to innovation and invention. Steve Jobs was not autistic, but he actually has said in interviews, people don't talk about this, but it's so true, that had he not taken LSD and had experience with other hallucinogens, he never would have invented the iPad or various Apple products, that it was that kind of transcendent thought that enabled him to have this vision that he otherwise wouldn't have had. On some level, mind-altering drugs can be analogized to autism and so, yes, Peter Thiel stutters; he stumbles. Oftentimes, it seems like he's sweating or having difficulty answering the question, but in reality, it's autism and the way he speaks. But it does affect how people perceive him. 

Let me show you this clip that the question asked, because I think it's really worth hearing him in his own words. 

Video. Ross Douthat, Peter Thiel, TikTok.

Let me say a couple of things about this. People who think about changes in the future are often looked at as strange and weird because generally, the future is something we can't really imagine. 

I remember when I was young, I'm still young, but I remember when I was younger, when I was a child, and I used to go visit my grandparents. My grandfather was born in 1904. My grandmother was born in 1910. I spent a lot of time over there when I was younger and I constantly thought about how bizarre it was that they were born into a world that didn't have airplanes, didn't have radio, didn't have television, didn't really have phones and then during their lifetime, like all this technology that previously had been considered unthinkable – how is something going to fly in the air over the Earth? How are people going to talk to each other using weird connective machines? Or television that started off black and white and then became color, or film that started silent and then became with audio. All these things were unthinkable at the beginning and I kept thinking how strange to be born into a world where this unthinkable technology didn't exist, and then suddenly it arrives, and it just changes your world. All those technologies, obviously, had a major effect on the world. Then I had my own experience. I was born in 1967. I was 24, 25 when the internet started really being something that I used in my life, and, obviously, that's a major transformative innovation. If you had thought about the internet before it happened, it would seem inconceivable; people who describe the future in ways that seem inconceivable always come off as very strange and weird. So, I think we ought to acknowledge that. 

But I want to say two things on the other side, as kind of big caveats. One is the idea of a billionaire; until you really interact with billionaires, it's hard to explain what they're like, and I've had pretty close interactions with many of them. Obviously, I founded a media company with one of them, Pierre Omidyar, who I think is worth like $12 billion or whatever. A lot of other people in Silicon Valley whom – I've gotten to know some – ‘being rich’ doesn't describe that, like the amount of wealth that you have, like when you're a billionaire, you don't think of yourself as just rich, you start thinking about what you can do to change the world, change the government, change countries, change culture. It's so much power; it's so much money. 

With power and money comes, in almost every case, being surrounded by sycophants: people constantly flattering you, saying yes to everything that you think, say and want, because power means you can do so many things for people that benefit their lives and if they know that you have that, they're going to want to flatter you so that there's a chance you're going to give those things to them. Obviously, it makes people in that situation so detached from reality and so enamored of themselves just because all their influences tell them that they are brilliant, and that they're a genius and that they see things people don't see. 

Sometimes, that may be true, there are probably billionaires, I guess I know a couple, who I would consider extremely smart, but the majority of them, including ones I've worked with, I can tell you, I'm not going to say they're dumb. They're mediocre. Sometimes they have like an idiot savant skill that turned into a company that just exploded at the right time. Everyone's success has partly some luck. You have to be in the right place at the right time and a lot of these people who walk around thinking they're brilliant and have the power with their billions of dollars to bring those visions to fruition and to convince people that they should, are not even remotely close to as smart as they think. 

So, when they start getting these visions and everyone around them tells them how brilliant they are and everything about their lives is reinforcing their own brilliance, I do think that can be a very twisted and dangerous dynamic. Then there is this very specific billionaire culture, especially the ones that came out of Silicon Valley, that believes that they are the kind of people society ought to progress and evolve and transform into, and that the society just doesn't facilitate that. The society punishes success; it impedes a transformative kind of Übermensch, to use a Nietzschean expression. And they have ideas like they want to just start new societies, they want to buy a country, or buy so much land that it can become its own country and they just create a society from scratch where they're the overlords and they create rules. Obviously it then extends to like, maybe we shouldn't even do it on Earth, let's start our own society on Mars or wherever and it becomes this very utopian and dystopian vision driven by a tiny number of people who have no real pushback or tension between the things that come out of their mouths into their from their brains into their mouths and then try they can try and make reality and have the power to make reality. But a lot of that is, I think very alarming; we ought to be very, very, very skeptical of that, even in the cases where it might be promising. 

A lot of this just depends on what you think. If you're a complete nihilist and atheist, and you just believe everything is just kind of a nihilistic evolution, no purpose, no spirit, no soul, we just keep evolving over millions of years, and human beings are just where we are now, it’s just one stop along the way, and our next destination is something totally different, it probably wouldn't bother you. But if you have a kind of idea of something essentialist about being human that turning us into beings that exist in an AI vat and eliminating us, every part of us, except our intellect, may not be an advancement, that may be a destruction of humanity while maintaining the facade of it, this is the kind of stuff that I think requires a great deal of introspection, a great deal of thought, a great debate involving the whole society. 

But because billionaires have this ability to just push things along with no constraints, AI is just exploding really with no safeguards. I mean, there are some superficial safeguards, like if you use ChatGPT or the commercial ones, they don't let you do certain things that could easily be done, but you can imagine how it's actually being developed. And the people who don't want those safeguards to exist are using AI without those safeguards. None of this is being understood. None of it is being analyzed or studied. 

I'm not an alarmist at all about technology, even including AI. But I think it's more this kind of narcissism and this self-adoration that naturally develops in billionaires that gives them far too much confidence in their own ability to push humanity into directions that they think it should go and really don't need much debate to do it because their brains are sufficiently advanced to make those decisions and see those things on their own and the proof is that they became billionaires. That's how the reasoning works. That, I think, is the most dangerous dynamic rather than the specific things. 

And yeah, when Peter Thiel starts saying, “I'm not sure humanity should continue, okay, I'll say yes, just because you obviously think it's extremely creepy if I don't, but I'm going to add that maybe we should exist in some other form,” I hope people are disturbed by that. I'm not saying necessarily opposed to it, but I hope they're disturbed by it, in a way that they kind of demand some time and reflection in order to consider. 


 

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