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Video Transcript: System Update #44
February 24, 2023
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Note From Glenn Greenwald: The following is the full show transcript, for subscribers only, of a recent episode of our System Update program, broadcast live on Rumble on Wednesday, February 22, 2023. Watch the full episode here or listen to the podcast on Spotify.

 

In the aftermath of President Biden's highly melodramatic made-for-TV train trip to Kyiv, where he yet again vowed to send another half billion dollars or so and vowed to support Ukraine until the very end – whatever that might mean – there is real fallout on multiple levels from that trip – in Russia, in China and in the U.S. – as both former President Trump and Florida Governor Ron DeSantis weigh in on Biden's actions. We will report on all of that and examine the implications. 

Plus, more than two years later, we are finally going to see the parts of the January 6 surveillance footage that the House January 6 Committee, led by Democrats Bennie Thompson, Adam Schiff and Republican Liz Cheney did not want you to see. That's because House Speaker Kevin McCarthy has quite controversially handed that footage over to Fox News host Tucker Carlson. 

As you might imagine, most of the corporate media is not particularly pleased about this, which is odd given how often they proclaim their love of transparency, which is exactly what we're about to get. We'll examine the implications of that decision and the very irritated and angry media reaction to it, as well. 

As a reminder, each episode of System Update is now available in podcast form on Spotify, Apple and other major podcast platforms. The episodes are released the day following their live broadcast here on Rumble. 

For now, welcome to a new episode of System Update starting right now. 




 

Monologue

 

Over the weekend and into Monday, President Joe Biden made a surprise, melodramatic visit to Kyiv, the kind of presidential trip that all presidents in wartime love to do. Every single president – for as long as I can remember – has made secret, mysterious, high-drama trips into theaters of war – in Iraq and Afghanistan and the rest. The media goes crazy and everybody gets excited. And this is no different. 

President Biden chose a highly popular reporter who used to work at the Huffington Post and The Guardian to be the secret reporter who would accompany him with secret plans that nobody knew about. She was only told that she was going to Warsaw and they traveled dark into the night at 4 a.m. Like a spy thriller. They flew all the way across the world. They landed. They flew again. They got on a train. Nobody knew that this was happening. It was so dangerous because Kyiv is such a dangerous place, such a major theater of war with bombs coming and missiles coming all the time, that the consensus immediately rose, that this was Biden's Churchill moment. It was so brave and courageous and important for our country that he went to Ukraine and met with President Zelenskyy in that olive green costume that he wears wherever he goes. It was all very exciting and all very important for some reason that I don't fully understand. 

However important or not important the meeting may have been, there was certainly a lot of media excitement over it. They had all kinds of historians say that this is one of the most important presidential trips in decades. It was somehow incredibly historic, but there was also a lot of real fallout from it as well, fallout that is likely to endure with us long after the media reaction dissipates. And that's what I want to focus on, examining what the cost continues to be to this proxy war that we seem to be continuing to feel with no end in sight, with no intended end in sight, way with the benefits that are accruing to American citizens, which is supposed to be the role of our government, against the costs that continue to pile up every time we do something. 

So, let's review, first of all, an article from Real Clear Politics, just to review the basics of what happened in particular when President Biden met with President Zelenskyy in Kyiv for this super-secret, dark-of-the-night trip. It was very exciting in and of itself, and it was extra exciting because an air siren went off while President Biden was there, showing how brave he was to go there and to endure these incoming missile fire and to basically risk his life in order to go. As Hillary Clinton said, he took a train to the frontlines of democracy. That's what Hillary Clinton called it: “taking a train to the frontlines of democracy.” Here, though, is something that inadvertently emerged on CNN, that you don't see on CNN very often – which is the truth –. and it was clearly something that was said without realizing what the implications are. Let's watch what CNN told us. 

 

(Video 00:15:46) 

Alex Marquardt, CNN:  I've been here for the past five days. I have not heard any explosions. I have not heard any air sirens until about half an hour ago, right when President Biden was in the center of Kyiv, as… 

 

Well, what an incredible coincidence. First of all – very bad luck for Joe Biden. Scary bad luck. For five days, Kyiv is perfectly calm, as it so often is. Nothing was going on in Kyiv, as the CNN reporter said. He didn't hear a single siren or air attack or anything else. And it was right when the president – just the moment that he stepped out into the public square, that's exactly the moment the air siren went off right in front of the cameras and all over the United States, in The New York Times and elsewhere, appeared the headline “Air Sirens Go Off While President Biden Meets Outdoors With President Zelenskiy”. 

An incredibly melodramatic moment. Our president was in danger, but he didn't care because, like Winston Churchill himself, he was fighting for democracy. He's fighting for our freedom. If President Biden doesn't go to Kyiv, if he doesn't spend $100 billion or more to fuel the war in Kyiv, in six months or so, we may be speaking Russian. That's how close the Russians are to our border. And that's how much gratitude the media has for President Biden for being such a bold and selfless leader that he went on such a dangerous trip, as evidenced by that air siren that went off – which hadn't gone off for five days until the moment he got there. That's when it went off. No bombs came in, by the way. No missiles came in. Maybe it was just that they detected something. Maybe they shot it down there, who knows? But any event, right at the moment that he was there in front of all the cameras, that's when the air siren went off. 

In response to that trip, a lot of things happened. President Biden went right up to the Russian border, a country that sits on the most sensitive part of the Russian border, where the Russians were twice invaded and almost destroyed by the Germans in both world wars in the 20th century. That's a reason why Ukraine is a pretty sensitive place for Russia. If, for example, the Soviet Union got anywhere near the United States, as it did during the Cuban Missile Crisis, we are ready to start a nuclear war over it. For some reason, everybody seems confident that President Putin is not going to do the same – even though Joe Biden is right in the country, on that border, promising that NATO will continue to pour heavy armaments, including tanks, and potentially, next, fighter jets, right into that country – everyone's confident that Vladimir Putin won't do what John Kennedy was going to do and almost did, which is blow up the world because the Russians got too close to the American border. Everyone's calm, everyone's happy. Just keep throwing in weapons and fueling this war right on the border of Russia. It's all worth it because of the immense benefits we as Americans are getting, which we'll talk about in a moment. 

But there are things happening as a result that we should take into account. One of them is that President Putin announced that Russia is officially withdrawing from the last remaining arms treaty, which is called the New START agreement as a result of what he perceives as NATO's and EU’s aggression that has been going on for many years. 

There's the Reuters article and it reads, 

 

President Vladimir Putin said on Tuesday that Russia was suspending its participation in the New START treaty with the United States that limits the two sides' strategic nuclear arsenals. Putin stressed that Russia was not withdrawing from the treaty, but the suspension further imperils the last remaining pillar of arms control between the United States and Russia, which between them hold nearly 90% of the world's nuclear warheads – enough to destroy the planet many, many times over. “In this regard, I am forced to announce today that Russia is suspending its participation in the Strategic Offensive Arms Treaty”, Putin told lawmakers toward the end of a major speech to parliament, nearly one year into the war in Ukraine (Reuters. Feb. 21, 2023). 

 

Maybe you don't care much about arms treaties, but I think it's important to review the history of these arms treaties and why many people thought they were very important, beginning with President Ronald Reagan himself. The Reuters article goes on. 

 

The New START Treaty was signed in Prague in 2010, came into force the following year, and was extended in 2021 for five years more just after U.S. President Joe Biden took office. It caps the number of strategic nuclear warheads that the United States and Russia can deploy, and the deployment of land and submarine-based missiles and bombers to deliver them. 

Russia has the largest stockpile of nuclear weapons in the world, with close to 6,000 warheads, experts say (Reuters. Feb. 21, 2023). 

These agreements take the two countries that have so many different kinds of nuclear weapons – nuclear-tipped intercontinental ballistic missiles, nuclear submarines, they're all over the place – and these arms treaties and the framework of them, which, again, was begun in the 1980s between Ronald Reagan and Mikhail Gorbachev and has been supported by people all over the world and both political parties for decades because it's a pretty serious matter to have nuclear weapons just about all over the world, with no one controlling how they're used or where they are or how many there are deployed. That's what nuclear arms agreements are for. 

One of the problems, one of the costs of this proxy war that we're now in for about a year – it's about to be a year on February 24 – is that it is now completely destroying whatever remnants of diplomacy exist between the United States and Russia. Again, the countries with 90% of the nuclear stockpile on the planet. As ABC reports, “Russian lawmakers endorse suspension of nuclear pact with the U.S. Both houses of Russia's parliament have quickly endorsed President Vladimir Putin's move to suspend the last remaining nuclear arms treaty with the United States” (Feb. 22, 2023). 

According to AP, what is happening, as the Russian parliament and Vladimir Putin withdraw from that arms treaty, is former Russian president and the current top national security adviser to President Putin, Dmitry Medvedev, came out once again and explicitly warned, in case you just don't believe it's true, they're trying to explicitly say that Russia will use their nuclear weapons if they begin to lose what they actually regard – whether you agree with it or not – what they regard, as an existential war. If they start to lose a war right on the Ukrainian border and perceive that NATO and the West overrunning Ukraine and deploying their military right up to the Russian border, they are telling the world in terms that the United States shall understand, since we would do the same thing if this were happening in Cuba or Mexico or Canada or even in anywhere in Latin America, that they regard it as a threat sufficient enough to them to deploy nuclear weapons, 

Dmitry Medvedev, deputy head of Russia's Security Council that is chaired by Putin, emphasized Wednesday, that the suspension of Russia's participation in the pact was a signal to the U.S. that Moscow is ready to use nuclear weapons to protect itself. “If the U.S. wants Russia's defeat, we have the right to defend ourselves with any weapons, including nuclear weapons”, Medvedev said on his messaging app channel. “Let the U.S. elites who have lost touch with reality think about what they got. If the U.S. wants Russia to be defeated, we are going to stand on the verge of a global conflict”. 

Leonid Slutsky, the head of the Foreign Affairs Committee in the lower house, the State Duma [the Russian parliament] emphasized that the suspension is “reversible and can be reviewed if our Western opponents come back to reason and realize the responsibility for destroying the global security system” (ABC News. Feb. 22, 2023).

 Now, maybe you're somebody who says: look, I don't care about what Russia does. I don't care if they withdraw from every single arms control agreement they have with us. I don't care if they threaten to use nuclear weapons for some reason in this country all the way on the other side of the world that has no oil reserves and no geostrategic importance to the United States, a country that President Barack Obama himself repeatedly said, when attacked by neocons in both parties for not doing enough to defend Ukraine, he would always say, “Why would I risk a war with Russia over Ukraine? Ukraine is a country that's a vital interest to Russia but is not, never has been and never will be to the United States.” I guess if you think that that country is so important, that who rules the Donbas and the eastern regions and provinces of Ukraine is so vital to your life that you're willing to risk all of these things, then okay. But let's at least hear from Ronald Reagan about, despite how a hardened cold warrior he was, despite his view that the Soviet Union – not Russia, but the Soviet Union, vastly larger than today's Russia, much, much more threatening, with a much bigger military – was a genuine existential threat to the United States, notwithstanding his view on that, he was adamant that nuclear arms agreements were vital to the security of the United States and of the world. Let's listen to just one of the times he said so, early in his presidency in 1980. 

 

(Video 00:25:17)


Ronald Reagan, 1982: Others of a new generation must have worried about their children and about peace. And that's what I'd like to talk to you about tonight, the future of our children in a world where peace is made uneasy by the presence of nuclear weapons. I believe our strategy for peace will succeed. Never before has the United States proposed such a comprehensive program of nuclear arms control. Never in our history have we engaged in so many negotiations with the Soviets to reduce nuclear arms and to find a stable peace. What we are saying to them is this: We will modernize our military in order to keep the balance for peace but wouldn't it be better if we both simply reduced our arsenals to a much lower level? This summer, we also began negotiations on strategic arms reductions. The proposal we call a START. Here, we're talking about intercontinental missiles, the weapons with a longer range than the intermediate-range ones I was just discussing. We are negotiating on the basis of deep reductions. I proposed in May that we cut the number of warheads on these missiles to an equal number, roughly one-third below current levels. I also propose that we cut the number of missiles themselves to an equal number about half the current U.S. level. Our proposals would eliminate some 4,700 warheads and some 2,250 missiles. I think that would be quite a service to mankind. 



“That would be quite a service to mankind,” said the person who ran on a platform of challenging the Soviet Union and denouncing it as the evil empire. And he was trying to get the country to understand the situation that Russia and the United States face because of these nuclear weapons – which, by the way, 40 years later are vastly more destructive and powerful than they were then when Ronald Reagan was warning about them, and way more powerful still than when the United States used them, twice, in 1945, in Japan. He was trying to get people to understand, “as much as I believe the Soviet Union is a country that needs to be challenged in every conceivable way, we are much better and safer as a country if we're able to sit down with them, despite all the rhetoric flying back and forth between us, and negotiate these Start agreements, these arms control agreements that will lead to place some degree of security”. And, as he used to say, trust but verify, verification systems on the number of nuclear warheads aimed at one another’s cities, that would just make the world a much less dangerous place. And again, Reagan was somebody willing to challenge the Soviet Union in all kinds of ways with dirty wars and covert wars and any time he thought the communists were getting too close to the United States, in the backyard that he considered Latin America to be, never mind right on the other side of the border, he was emphasizing the importance of this arms control regime that is now unraveling, unraveling almost completely and over what? War in Ukraine over whether Zelenskyy will govern the Donbas or it will be independent or will decide – as Kosovo did – it wants to be subject to the rule of Moscow – or like Crimea did. Kosovo opted for independence. 

The START agreement itself, the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (START) I, was signed on July 31st, 1991. I think it's very important to review the history of this so we don't become dismissive about the importance of these agreements. They were signed in 1991. That was when George Bush was president, by the United States and the Soviet Union. 

 

This is the first treaty that required U.S. and Soviet/Russian reductions of strategic nuclear weapons. It was indispensable in creating a framework that ensured predictability and stability for deep reductions.

In December 1991, the Soviet Union dissolved, leaving four independent states in possession of strategic nuclear weapons Russia, Belarus, Ukraine and Kazakhstan. This caused a delay in the entry into force of the treaty. On May 23, 1992, the United States and the four nuclear-capable successor states to the Soviet Union signed the Lisbon Protocol, which made all five nations party to the START I agreement. 

Reductions of nuclear weapons were completed by the deadline of December 5, 2001, seven years after entry into force, and maintained for another eight years. States were verified by on-site inspections and shared missile telemetry. Both the United States and the Russian Federation continued reduction efforts even after reaching the START limits (Arms Control Association. April, 2022). 

 

That's how successful they were. All of these countries – very different antagonisms and very different interests – not only sat down and complied but continued to voluntarily do it even further, knowing how dangerous these nuclear weapons were. 

Then we get into the new START agreement, which is the one that President Putin just abandoned. That one did the following: 

New START continues the bipartisan process of verifiably reducing U.S. and Russian strategic nuclear arsenals begun by former Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush. New START is the first verifiable U.S.-Russian nuclear arms control treaty to take effect since START I, in 1994. 

The United States and Russia agreed on February 3, 2021, to extend New START by five years, as allowed by the treaty text, until February 5th, 2026 (Arms Control Association. April, 2022). 

 

And now that's what has been put into doubt and suspended. 

So, look at all the costs. You have the financial cost of $100 billion or more. You have the United States depleting its own military stockpiles and now having to buy enormous amounts from Raytheon and Boeing and General Dynamics and all the countries that always profit whenever wars begin. I had Matt Gaetz on my show last week and I asked him, Why is the United States so obsessed with Ukraine as it's been since at least 2013, if not before when Victoria Nuland was running that country for the Obama administration the way she now is for the Biden administration? And he told me that Goldman Sachs and all of these hedge funds and banks see Ukraine as an incredibly profitable opportunity because of how corrupt it is. So, we are pouring hundreds of billions of dollars, or $100 billion authorized thus far, tons of weapons, right exactly six months after these arms manufacturers finally lost their major market in the War on Terror when we withdrew from Afghanistan – lo and behold – there's a new war. 

So, we're putting all those costs into it. We're depleting our own stockpiles. We're unraveling the nuclear arms reduction agreements that President Ronald Reagan started and himself said were indispensable to future generations living a safe and secure life on the planet. And on top of that, China is now making gestures toward getting more involved with Russia, seeing that the entire West and all of NATO is backing up the Ukrainians and believing that it's necessary to at least bring some balance – and that's causing China to seemingly get more involved in supporting Russia, either indirectly or by providing the kinds of arms that the United States is providing – though obviously the United States is now threatening China, that they better not do what the United States is already doing in this war, which is providing lethal arms. 

My favorite headline that I've ever seen, was from 2007, when the United States denounced Iran for, “interfering in Iraq'', even though the U.S. was in Iraq with about 200,000 troops – a country that it had invaded just four years earlier – was warning and denouncing Iran for interfering in a country right on the other side of its border when the United States, went all the way to the other side of the world to invade that country. And now the United States is warning China, “You better stay out of Ukraine, you better stay away from Russia.'' Of course, the Chinese are now saying, you can’t dictate to us what kind of relationship we can have with Moscow? And that's raising tensions between Moscow and between Washington and Beijing. And always the overarching question is “for what?” For what? Who is benefiting from this war? If the people of the Donbas region and other provinces in eastern Ukraine are allowed to have a free and fair election that the UN supervises and they decide they want to be independent from the rule of Kyiv and are granted their independence the way Kosovo was, or they decide they want to be part of Moscow because they're Russian speaking and identify as ethnic Russians and are allowed to go and be under the rule of Moscow. What does that do to you? How does that improve your life in any way to have all of your taxpayer money transferred to Ukraine and have us fuel a war there? How is that helping your life? And conversely, how will it harm your life if the United States plays the role of trying to forge a diplomatic resolution to this war instead of preventing diplomacy and fueling the war for its own interests, for the interests of a tiny sliver of the population, namely people who work in the arms industry, who are big shareholders and executives in it, and people who work in the U.S. Security State who always see their authority and budgets balloon whenever there is a war like this? 

One of the things I find very interesting is that there's no debate taking place in the Democratic Party when it comes to this question. The international left is starting to rise up in much greater force against this war. The new president of Brazil, Lula da Silva, has been pressured in all kinds of ways to lend Brazil's support to Ukraine. He absolutely refuses, saying, “Our war is not with Ukraine. Our war is with poverty and in defense of the quality of lives of our people”. Imagine a president saying our goal as a government is to improve the lives of our people, not to fund the war on the other side of the world. He also has said this “good versus evil framework is very ambiguous”, not very clear, given how many provocations there were with NATO in the EU in Ukraine. 

Remember, it was 2014 when Victoria Nuland got caught on tape choosing the next president of Ukraine, of the democracy Ukraine. Why did Victoria Nuland choose the leader of Ukraine if it's such a vibrant democracy? Why is the United States having a neocon like Victoria Nuland, who was Dick Cheney's primary advisor in the Iraq war, picking the leader of Ukraine right on the other side of the Russian border? Do you think we might consider it threatening if the president of Mexico were being chosen in a meeting by the Chinese Communist Party or the Chinese ambassador to Mexico City? Probably. 

But what benefits are there to the United States? There's no debate in the Democratic Party, even while people like Lula and many other international leftist leaders say this is not a war for us. I interviewed Sahra Wagenknecht who is the leader of Die Linke party, the left party in Germany, and you heard her say the lunacy of having Germany risk war with Russia – Germany and Russia, when they have antagonisms, that never ends up well for the world. And she talked about the trauma of Russians seeing German tanks going to the part of the border where Germany twice invaded Ukraine. So, you see leftist leaders, leftist populist leaders and right-wing populist leaders, including in Germany – the alternative for Deutschland, the AfD party, also supporting her and supporting that. It's the EU neoliberal, globalist order, joined at the hip with the bipartisan wing of both political parties, who is supporting this war. And what you're starting to see is increasing amounts of dissent from the right wing populist part of the Republican Party. 

Donald Trump has been speaking a lot in this way for many years and is again on this war – and I’m about to show you this in a minute – but one thing that I think was really interesting was Florida Governor Ron DeSantis gave an interview on Fox News, two days ago, and we have not heard Governor DeSantis speak much on foreign policy over the last four years for a very understandable reason. He had a job, which was being the governor of Florida, that had nothing to do with foreign policy. He was focused on the policy of his state, but he did have a voting record in the House that I would describe as fairly conventionally pro-war, old school Republican establishment. With the notable exception that Governor DeSantis was actually opposed to the intervention in Syria that many people were trying to get President Obama to unleash even further than he did, including Hillary Clinton. People like Mike Pompeo were in favor of that war. As always, there's bipartisan consensus. In Munich this week, Michael Tracey, the journalist who's independent, who's often on our show, showed how members of the Republican Party, like Governor Kristi Noem, of South Dakota, were in Munich wearing shirts like “Ukraine forever” and there was Nancy Pelosi wearing a bracelet of shells from Ukrainian weapons that someone had made for her. That's a completely bipartisan war as all the disastrous wars in the United States are. 

But there is starting to be dissent on the right wing of the Republican Party. Kevin McCarthy has said, “under his speakership, there is not going to be a blank check anymore for Ukraine.” I don't know how much he believes that. But I found Governor DeSantis’ interview, now that he's thinking about running for president and needs to talk about foreign policy, extremely interesting, given that he was, at best, lukewarm about whether the United States should be continuing to fuel this proxy war in Ukraine and how we should be seeing Russia. I found his comments very interesting. Let's look at those.. 

 

(Video 00:39:20) 

Ron DeSantis, Fox News, Feb.20, 2023: Well, they have effectively a blank check policy with no clear strategic objective identified. And these things can escalate and I don't think it's in our interests to be getting into a proxy war, with China getting involved over things like the borderlands or over Crimea. So, I think it would behoove them to identify what this strategic objective is. 

 

So first of all, let's just think about what he just said in that first 24 seconds. He called this what it is, which is a proxy war. It’s a war between the United States and Russia, not a war between Ukraine and Russia. It's a proxy war. The United States is involved in a proxy war using Ukraine as its proxy to weaken Russia. And that's what he's saying. He's also saying it's madness that we've opened up our coffers and given them a blank check, which is exactly what President Biden just did in Kyiv – he said, oh, whatever you need is yours until the very end of this war. And Governor DeSantis, I'm pleasantly surprised to hear – it's going to take a lot more to convince me than just this but it's a good start – is saying, first of all, why are we doing that? Why are we involved in an endless proxy war? And then let's listen to what he says about Russia. 

 

(Video 00:40:45)

Ron DeSantis Feb.20, 2023: […] But just saying it's an open-ended blank check, that is not acceptable. 

 

Fox News: So, Governor, what does a win look like for us in Ukraine, for Ukraine? 

 

Ron DeSantis Feb.20, 2023: Well, I think it's important to point out, I mean, you know, the fear of Russia going into NATO countries and all that, and steamrolling, you know, that has not even come close to happening. I think they've shown themselves to be a third-rate military power. I think they've suffered tremendous, tremendous losses. I got to think that the people in Russia are probably disapproving of what's going on. I don't think they can speak up about it for obvious reasons. So, I think Russia has been really, really wounded here. And I don't think that they are the same threat to our country, even though they're hostile, I don't think they're on the same level as China, right? 

 

I think the way he talks about Russia is unbelievably important. Sometimes war propaganda is, of all things, so demented and deranged that I look around me sometimes and I see people I regard as intelligent and rational and whom I have respect for, buying into things they're hearing. I know war propaganda is very, very effective. It's very potent. It's been perfected over centuries. You know, how do you get populations to support suffering in great numbers, having your fellow citizens or you putting your life at risk to go murder, other people, in a different country, often with no benefit? You need a propagandistic framework to convince people to do that. And even if you're not asking them to go put their lives on the line, the way is true for the United States at the moment – there are no American troops, at least in uniform, who are there. You can be sure there are intelligence officers and all other kinds of people there who are American but there are no American battalions there, no American troops engaging Russian forces directly. But even so, Americans are being sacrificed in all kinds of ways, including just enormous amounts of money, at a time when, for example, in East Palestine, in Ohio, where there was a train explosion and clearly chemical poisoning of communities, the United States government seems totally uninterested in what's happening to Americans. President Biden is not in East Palestine tonight – former President Trump is – Biden’s off in Ukraine for some reason. 

So, there are always sacrifices and you have to get people to be willing to sustain this for years. Let's just keep sending weapons and killing people. Why? And so, all kinds of propaganda rings down upon you. We're fighting for democracy. We should feel good about ourselves. We don't like tyranny. We like democracy. We want freedom, for people to be free in the world. It amazes me that people believe that's why the United States fights wars when the United States is a very close ally and partner – and always has been – with the most despotic regimes on the planet, like Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Egypt and the list goes on and on. 

The United States doesn’t dislike tyranny. It doesn't want to vanquish despotism. It loves tyranny and despotism, as long as it serves the interests of the United States. It's not why the United States goes to war. The United States was partners with Saddam Hussein. They were partners with Moammar Gadhafi and Bashar Assad and only started talking about their evils when it became time strategically to want to remove them. They merely say it was fine with Saddam Hussein to gas his own people. We were allies of Saddam Hussein when he was doing that. 

So, I'm always amazed when people are willing to believe that and what amazes me, even more, is this idea that Putin is like a Hitler-like figure, where we’re basically in 1938, faced with this Nazi army, the likes of which the world had never seen before in terms of potency and force and acting like Russia is anywhere remotely on that level. And then if we don't stop them in Ukraine, they're going to take over Poland and Hungary and then they're going to make their way into Western Europe and conquer France and Italy and Germany and then on to Britain and then potentially to the Island States. This is the madness of the most intense kind. And that's what Governor DeSantis is saying there, is that the Russian military is a joke. It doesn't even spend 1/15 on its military what the United States spends on ours, not 1/15. We have already allocated more for that single war in Ukraine than the entire Russian military budget for the entire year, which is only $65 billion. They can't hold thousands in Ukraine. They're going to go and conquer Poland and Hungary and the Balkans and on to Western Europe. That is the insanity of the highest degree. And it's good to hear Governor DeSantis say so because that is what instantly dismantles every time neocons want you to start a war – they use the single only historical analogy they evidently learned in high school:  World War II. 

So, your choice is only binary and always binary. You either support their wars and you get to be Churchill. You go down in history like Churchill like Biden for going to Kyiv on that super-secret trip on the train, or you're Neville Chamberlain, the disgraced appeaser. They don't know any other historical example and, in order for that to work, the enemy has to be Hitler. You go, look, just go Google it. Every time the neocons wanted to start a new war – against Saddam Hussein, against Moammar Gadhafi, against Ahmadinejad when he was the president of Iran, remember him? The new Hitler who served two terms under the Constitution after being elected and then left and now is in retirement. The new Hitler retired after two terms. 

Every new leader is Hitler and now Putin is Hitler, too, even though as Governor DeSantis says, the Russian military is a third-rate military power. Obama used to say that, too. When asked why he didn't do more to stop Russia, he would say Russia. They're at best a regional power. They have an economy smaller than Italy's. Why are you talking about Russia as some grand power? 

Now let's look at what President Trump has been saying because I do think it's important to realize, even though people hate to accept this, that while President Trump did escalate a couple of the bombing campaigns he inherited, such as in Syria and Iraq against ISIS and al-Qaeda, he was the first president in decades not to involve the United States in a new war. That's like a good achievement, right? We should all be able to agree on that. I know we don't, but we should. That's a positive thing. And listen to what he's now saying about how he sees the war in Ukraine. 

 

(Video 00:47:47)

Donald Trump: World War III has never been closer than it is right now. We need to clean house of all of the warmongers in America, the last globalists in the Deep State, the Pentagon, the State Department, and the National Security Industrial Complex. One of the reasons I was the only president in generations who didn't start a war is that I was the only president who rejected the catastrophic advice of many of Washington's generals, bureaucrats and the so-called diplomats who only know how to get us into conflict. But they don't know how to get us out. 

 

He's railing against the permanent war party in Washington that really doesn't have a party other than a war party. You find them in the Democratic Party and the Republican Party alike. There's no difference whatsoever when it comes to the question of the war in Ukraine between the views of Tom Cotton and Marco Rubio and Lindsey Graham on the one side and Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton and AOC and Joe Biden on the other, absolutely no difference. Just like the Tea Parties had almost no difference. When it came time for the war in Iraq or the war in Syria. They are in full agreement. Except for this wing of the Republican Party that Governor DeSantis is obviously trying to speak to. 

You can blame Donald Trump because he put a lot of these people in his administration. He had Mike Pompeo in the position of Secretary of State and CIA director, who's absolutely a neocon of the kind he's railing against here, who is, of course, completely in favor of the war in Ukraine. He had Nikki Haley as his U.N. ambassador, who was the same way, You go down the list. You had a lot of them. He put John Bolton there, though. He said he liked that Bolton was there because Bolton was so insane, people were afraid to mess with the United States and that helped him negotiate. But who knows, maybe this time he's serious, maybe he's not. But nonetheless, the fact that you had to go to the Republican Party to hear this kind of denunciation of endless warmongers, who are neocons, and the uniparty, in Washington, is really striking. Let's listen to it a little more. 

 

(Video 00:50:03) 

Donald Trump: Such as Victoria Nuland and many others, just like her, obsessed with pushing Ukraine toward NATO, not to mention the State Department's support for uprisings in Ukraine. These people have been seeking confrontation for a long time, much like the case in Iraq and other parts of the world. And now we're teetering on the brink of World War III. And a lot of people don't see it but I see it, and I've been right about a lot of things. They all say Trump's been right about everything […] 

 

Everybody says Trump's been right about everything and just wanted to highlight that. 


(Video 00:50:40) 

Donald Trump: The outrageous and horrible invasion of Ukraine one year ago, would have never happened if I was your president. Not even a little chance. But it does mean that, here in America, we need to get rid of the corrupt globalist establishment that has botched every major foreign policy decision for decades. And that includes President Biden, whose own people said he's never made a good decision when it comes to looking at other countries. 

 

This used to be standard fare and a staple of left-wing politics: the idea that there’s a neoconservative, warmongering uniparty in Washington and a permanent power faction in Washington; Dwight Eisenhower, no leftist, the five-star general and war hero and two-term Republican president warned of exactly this on his way out. None of this has changed. And Trump saw an up close and firsthand and he sees it now. 

Victoria Nuland is part of the Kagan family, just pure neoconservatism, that wants the United States to fight every single war for all kinds of motives, having everything to do with everything, except the welfare of the American people. And she stays in power no matter whom you go and votes for. The only time she's been out of government in the last 35 years was when Donald Trump was president. She was in the Clinton administration. She served as Dick Cheney's top adviser for Iraq in the War on Terror. She then slithered into the Obama administration, where she ran Iraq for the John Kerry State Department. She's now running Ukraine for the Blinken State Department. Blinken himself was a supporter of the war in Iraq. So was Joe Biden. 

These are all the same people doing this over and over and over, exactly what Donald Trump is saying. And I think Ron DeSantis realizes, based on that little snippet that I showed you, that he cannot run based on standard Reagan-Bush-Cheney foreign policy of wanting to go to war all over the place, that doesn't benefit the American people. The Republican Party seems done with that and although people claim that neoconservatives joined with the Democratic Party, and remigrated back to the Democratic Party, neocons go to whatever party will host them and will serve their agenda best. 

The claim was that neocons align with the Democratic Party again only because of fear of Trump. That is not true. You can find in the New York Times, I've shown it to you before, a 2014 op-ed by Jacob Hall Brown, who chronicles neocons as well as anybody and the point of this article was that Robert Kagan, Victoria Nuland’s husband, from the neoconservative Kagan family, was plotting to support Hillary Clinton for president as early as 2014 when this article was published before anyone dreamed of Trump running let alone winning because he perceived that the Republican Party was becoming inhospitable to the neocon agenda of endless war and that Hillary Clinton would better serve it. Can anyone doubt that he was right about that? Hillary Clinton had Victoria Nuland in her State Department, his wife. He knew what he was saying. And that is what Donald Trump – maybe he'll be able to do more about it if he's president again, maybe he'll be too weak and undisciplined again, maybe he'll be too vulnerable to flattery again. He talked like this before and did some things about it, but not very much. Though, again, he did avoid war of the kind that Joe Biden is feeding in Ukraine. So, he at least deserves credit for that. And he's saying the right things. And tonight, by the way, he's in East Palestine to visit the actual American citizens suffering greatly, who have been forgotten by the Biden administration, which is focused, for whatever reason, on who is going to rule provinces in Eastern Ukraine. 

At the very beginning of the war, I could see all of this coming like a lot of people could, although there weren't many people willing to say it. What I mean by that is that from the very beginning of the war, the media did a very effective job. War is one of the most repulsive things that humanity can do upon itself, probably the most repugnant. And if you look at war and the realities of it, you'll instinctively react. If you're a decent person with disgust and rage: who is doing it? That's the reason we never, ever see the victims of our missiles and our drones and our bombs. When was the last time you saw on ABC or CNN dead bodies caused by the American military? Or heard from the grieving relatives of people whom we blew up at wedding parties or the dreams and aspirations snuffed out by an errant drone like the one that President Biden sent into Afghanistan in the last week that we were there that killed 12 innocent people, an entire family. Those have disappeared from sites. You don't get angry about those. They're invisible, our victims. But the victims in Ukraine and there certainly are a lot of victims in Ukraine, were shown to you over and over and over and over and over again as though this was unique, as though only Vladimir Putin and the Russians do this in war - kill innocent people – even though that's what happens in every single war that is taking place on this planet right now, that the United States supports, that it involves itself in. But you just don't see those victims. 

The media showed you the victims over and over in Ukraine to get you angry because people are decent and if you show them the evils of war from one side, they're going to hate the other side and get forever invested in the idea of defeating them. I could see that in the first week, reason was being overridden and people's emotions had been exploited by a media that had united, as they always do, in a very tribalistic way, on “our side”, our side is good. Our president and our leader, we unite behind him in a time of war. We cheer for him when he goes to Kyiv, we become Americans, and our political differences stop at the border. All of this stuff has been used to indoctrinate Americans for decades about the glories and beauties of war. 

And this is how I was describing  – this was actually the first day of the war. This was a video I recorded before we had our regular show here on Rumble and had a kind of periodic System Update, two or three videos per month, and I tried to describe what I thought was coming. This was about a year ago on the eve of the Russian invasion. 

 

(Video 00:57:20)

G. Greenwald: Conversely, we're going to have an enormous amount of sympathy and a desire to help and protect and defend whoever we regard as the victim. It's for any normal, healthy, well-adjusted human being at a time of extremely high emotions. And I think we need to be aware of that for two reasons. The first of which is that any time we're in a state of high emotions, by definition, necessarily, our capacity to reason diminishes. If we are reacting to something with intense emotions, our ability to use rationality to react to the situation, to analyze it, is crowded out by the intensity of those emotions, even when those emotions are valid. In fact, particularly when those emotions are valid as the emotions that are pervasive now watching what's happening between Russia and Ukraine undoubtedly are. It doesn't matter whether the emotions are valid or not. The mere existence of intense emotions means that we lose our capacity, at least for the moment, to evaluate events and what our response should be, and how we should think about them with reason, with rationality. 

The other, and I think a more important thing to realize about how we react to war, the intensity of the emotions it provokes is that emotions, by their very nature, are very susceptible to manipulation. All power centers know how to manipulate and control emotion. They use fear. They use anger. They use revenge. They use a sense of righteous justice to move people. Governments have been studying this for a long time. 

 

I think that's pretty much what has happened. I mean, even if you want to look at this in the most realistic way, leave aside all the garbage propaganda – that's for the idiots at CNN and MSNBC about how we are going there to fight off authoritarianism or whatever – and you just look at it in like a geostrategic way, and you say, well, there's a benefit in separating Russia from Europe and preventing Germany and Western Europe from buying cheap natural gas from Russia in Nord Stream and buying it from us instead – and just generally weaken Russia – we've already achieved those aims. We blew up Nord Stream 2 or someone did. A big mystery. Right now, Russia is hoping that the Swedes will release their investigation while the United States, for some reason, hopes that the investigation doesn't get public. So maybe one day we'll find out what the great mystery is of who blew up Nord Stream 2. 

But Nord Stream 2 does not exist. Germany won't buy gas from Russia. They won't complete Nord Stream 2. We've already achieved that end. There's a breach between Russia and Europe, between Russia and Germany, and we pushed Russia into Chinese arms. Maybe that wasn't part of the goal. In fact, for the whole Cold War, the number one goal in Washington was to prevent Russia and China from uniting against the United States. This war has managed to do that. So, congratulations to Biden and his great diplomacy. But even if you think there were benefits to this war, they've all been achieved. What more is there left? 

The problem is once you work a population up to this extent and get the media so excited – and they really get excited by war. They love it. It gives them a purpose. And this whole thing about that melodramatic trip and the secrecy behind it – it gets their blood pumping, especially because they and their kids are not in danger. They just get to watch from afar. Whenever you get people hooked on this emotion, it's very hard to extricate them from it. And so having gotten Americans into this emotional state in both the Democrat and Republican Party, I think it's going to be very hard now for D.C. policymakers, even if they want to, to start justifying how we can wind down this war without things like taking back Crimea or pushing the Russians entirely out of Donbas, which is not going to happen if there's going to be a diplomatic solution. 

That's the conundrum that we’ve reached. And it's always worth remembering when a new war is proposed, it's vital that we resist these instincts that we all have that are tribalistic and emotional, and that we not let people play on those, and that instead we use our critical faculties, than our tribalistic ones, to evaluate what we're hearing, lest it be too late, as is the case, I think, for this war. 

So, we've certainly been covering this war from the beginning. We will continue to cover it as it goes on. 


 

We do have another story for you tonight, though, which is about the fact that we have seen a great deal of footage from the January 6 riot at the Capitol, which was more than two years ago. We have, however, seen only a portion of that footage. The portion that we've seen is the portion that the Jan. 6 Committee chose to show us. The portion that we have not seen is the portion that the Jan. 6 Committee chose to conceal from us. 

I don't think anyone here needs a reminder that the Jan. 6 Committee was completely united in their political and ideological crusade. The only Republicans on that committee were Adam Kinzinger and Liz Cheney, both of whom were even more devoted to destroying Trump and sabotaging his movement than the Democrats on that committee were. That's why they were on that Committee. Remember, Nancy Pelosi rejected two of Kevin McCarthy's nominees to be on the Committee and that had never happened in the history of the House before, which is why he said, “I'm not going to nominate any Republicans” and so, Nancy Pelosi hand-picked her two favorites. It was a totally partisan committee that was united in every way in their single-minded effort. And they chose for you which clips you got to see and which clips you didn't. And people have been rightly wanting to see all surveillance footage of Jan. 6, so that we can know whether what has been shown to us is representative of what happened or whether what has been concealed tells another part of the story that has not yet been told. 

Kevin McCarthy, the speaker of the House who was in control of this for a year now, has decided to give it to a news organization, Fox News, and specifically to Tucker Carlson. So here is the AP report on that. Before we get to the reaction, here's exactly what happened. 

 

Thousands of hours of surveillance footage from the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol are being made available to Fox News Channel host Tucker Carlson, a stunning level of access granted by House Speaker Kevin McCarthy that Democrats swiftly condemned as a “grave” breach of security with potentially far-reaching consequences. The hard-right political commentator [Not a journalist. He's the hard-right political commentator] said his team is spending the week at the Capitol, poring through the video and preparing to reveal their findings to his viewers. But granting exclusive access to sensitive Jan. 6 security footage to such a deeply partisan figure is a highly unusual move seen by some critics as essentially outsourcing House oversight to a TV personality who has promoted conspiracy theories about the attack. “It's a shocking development that brings in both political concerns but, even more importantly, security concerns”, said Rep. Dan Goldman, D-N.Y., who was [is the heir to a billionaire family fortune who is just elected by the very liberal Democrats in Manhattan] the chief counsel during President Donald Trump's first impeachment trial. [So, you know, he's super nonpartisan and objective].

“Unfortunately, the apparent disclosure of sensitive video material is yet another example of the grave threat to the security of the American people represented by the extreme MAGA Republican majority”, Hakeem Jeffries, D-N.Y. [the current House minority leader] said in a letter to House colleagues. (AP News. Feb.22, 2023) 

That’s from AP, that's their idea of a neutral, objective news story trying to tell you what happened. It sounds like a press release from the Democratic National Committee. 

Now, what we have here is a politician, Kevin McCarthy, handpicking a journalist to provide material to, which is exactly what has already happened. As I said, the Jan. 6 Committee is already a politicized, highly partisan body that handpicked what they wanted you to see and kept the rest from you. 

Tucker Carlson, who has a different perspective, is going to go into that surveillance footage and find out what was hidden from you to see if there's anything there that negates the narrative of the Jan. 6 Committee and provides new insight into what actually happened on that day. You would think the media would be happy about this because this is an opportunity for more transparency to see footage of a very important event, or at least one they think is very important, the insurrection, that we have not seen. We're about to shine a light on things that have been kept in darkness. And how does the media feel about that? We know. 

Here from The Hill reminding us The Washington Post actually changed its motto. They adopted a new motto just for the Trump era. They still have it, though. It's called “Democracy Dies in Darkness.” 

The Washington Post has a new slogan on its homepage: “Democracy Dies in Darkness.” The motto, one that has been used periodically in the past by Washington Post columnist and editor, Bob Woodward, was first spotted on Friday (The Hill. Feb 22, 2017). 

 

This must mean that the media is celebrating this huge amount of transparency we are about to get and finally seeing a bunch of footage that a partisan body kept from us as it showed us one it wanted to see. Is that correct? 

Let's take a look at the video of how the media has reacted here. Let's start with what is going on MSNBC and NBC. Here is the always sober and insightful NBC host Joy Reid interviewing Congressman Jamie Raskin, who is a Democrat. He is also a member of the Jan. 6 Committee. So, remember the person you're about to see was already part of the body that hand-picked surveillance videos and showed it to you while keeping the rest. Listen to what he says in his reaction to this news. 

 

(Video 01:07:26) 

Joy Reid, MSNBC: I mean, are we in danger of not just that of people trying to twist this footage, cut little pieces of it that they think will help criminals get out of jail or get out of trouble? […]  But also, I'm concerned that these are the people that the Russians listen to, including Tucker, that he can put on something that is false, not real, but that he's very useful to our enemies, including knowing where the security cameras are on Capitol Hill. 

 

There seems to be some fish life consuming the right part of Joy Reid's body, but let's ignore that. I think one of the things I want to focus on instead is do you notice how they cannot discuss any kind of political debate without instantly invoking the Russians? Tucker's going to show the Russians where the security footage is and then the Russians are going to go and invade the Capitol. Is that what's going to happen? 

We saw so much of this surveillance footage that shows where the cameras are in, shows so much of where everything else is, and instead of questioning the journalistic aspect, which I think is valid – why should one journalist get this and not have it released to the public at large, which I'll get to in a second – instead, she immediately goes to “this helps Russia.” It's a national security threat to allow Tucker Carlson, instead of Liz Cheney, to pick and choose which video footage you get to see and what you don't get to see. And here's how Jamie Raskin responded. 

 

(Video 01:08:580)

Jamie Raskin: Well, look. Tucker Carlson is a pro-Putin, pro-war band, pro-autocrat and propagandist. So, while we've got the press in the United States over in Ukraine expressing solidarity with the forces of democratic freedom, Kevin McCarthy is releasing these tapes to one network, not making it public for everybody, not giving it to CNN and MSNBC and The New York Times but giving it to Fox News and to Tucker Carlson so he can forward his propaganda theories. 

 

So, he at least aside from also invoking the scary boogeyman of Vladimir Putin, which is all that occupies these people's minds and I guess I should also say, I think a major reason for the Democratic Party unanimous support for the war in Ukraine is really because they want to punish Putin for the perceived role they think he played in helping Hillary Clinton lose the 2016 election to Donald Trump. That's why Russia is still at the forefront of their mind with regard to everything. But he's also voicing this journalistic critique that why should one network get this information? Why shouldn’t we all get it? That is something that we're hearing a lot of. 

Here is Frank Figliuzzi, who used to be the associate director of the FBI, and like pretty much every single senior operative of the U.S. Security State, he now, for some reason, is employed by corporate media outlets. They just bring on. Here's our colleague from the CIA, your colleague from the NSA and your colleague from the FBI. And he came on to this show. It's called “The 11th Hour” by… I forgot her name. Stephanie Something. No one watches, but we're going to show it to you anyway. Stephanie Ruhle, I think, and here is them discussing the fact that Kevin McCarthy has chosen to give this material to Fox News. 

 

(Video 01:10:46) 

S. Ruhle: Frank, people could find this move on McCarthy's part unscrupulous, dangerous, disgusting, terrible but is it legal? Because he doesn't care what our opinions are? 

 

F. Figliuzzi: Yeah, he's the speaker. He made this call all by himself, apparently, we don't know what transpired between him and Tucker Carlson, why he chose Tucker, for example. But it's done. So now we have to live with the ramifications. What are the ramifications? From where I look at this, there are legit security concerns. What are they? For example, we have seen video clips from January […]

 

Do you think it's weird, by the way, that a news network, when it comes time to question somebody about what media outlets should report and how journalists should report them, calls on to the television to tell you about this, the former senior official from the FBI? Do you think the FBI and its senior operatives should be opining, should be arbitrating what is and is not legitimately reported by a journalist and how journalism should be conducted? I don't. 

And yet, these are the people they always bring on to opine on all of this. They are completely aligned with, completely allied with, in bed with the entire superstructure of the U.S. Security State. They don't really bring them on to talk about the FBI or the CIA or the Pentagon, things that are at least within the ambit of their arguable expertise. These are the people who shape the news. They go right from the CIA and the FBI and the NSA and the Pentagon, in the Defense Department, right into the largest media corporations in the world. 

As I pointed out before, in the Cold War, they used to have to do this clandestinely. That's one of the things that was shocking and the Church Committee uncovered – it was how they were shaping and influencing the news. Now they do it out in the open. 

So, now they have him saying that Tucker Carlson is reporting on what you've already seen Jan. 6 surveillance footage – hours and hours of it – as a national security threat because of what he might choose to show you that they didn't choose to show you. 

 

F. Figliuzzi: […] where we see Nancy Pelosi being escorted off the floor of Congress and then the next shot we see, and only the next shot we see, is a video of her in a safe room. Right? We don't see her being transited through a particular pathway. We don't see the entrance to the safe room. We don't know where that is. Those are the kinds of things, code words with Capitol Police officers on strategy tactics where camera angles show hidden cameras within the Capitol building, all of that could be exposed if it's done irresponsibly without a secure review. And I think that's what we're dealing with here. That's what concerns you. 

 

So, basically, what's going to happen is Tucker Carlson is going to get the security footage and he's going to look for the part that shows where the safe room is. And then he's going to go on air and he's going to draw a map for the Russians, for Vladimir Putin in the Kremlin. He's going to show the Kremlin where the safe room is. And this is why you should be scared. 

Leave aside the whole thing about Russia and the thing about how they're going to find out the security footage and all of that and the code words – it's just such idiocy, you know, for people who have the brains of 12-year-olds, all of this.

Let's look at the journalists that complained that this should be released to numerous news outlets or the public at large and not just given to one media outlet to curate, because I'm not entirely unsympathetic to that argument. I nonetheless want to review how hypocritical it is in this case. 

And of course, let me just show you Adam Schiff's reaction, because, you know, that's always also very sober and reasoned. Adam Schiff said, 

“Kevin McCarthy turned over Jan. 6 videos to right-wing propagandist Tucker Carlson” [..].

 It's amazing, isn't it, how the most partisan Democrat in Congress, Adam Schiff, describes it exactly the way he did.

 “A man who spews Kremlin talking points suggests Jan. 6 was a false flag. ‘’     And spreads the big lie”. 

That itself is a lie. Tucker Carlson has never claimed the 2020 election, what they called the big lie, was fraudulent. 

“Make no mistake, this isn't about transparency. It's about fueling dangerous conspiracy theories” (Feb. 20, 2023). 

 

This critique that it's wrong for someone like Kevin McCarthy in government to take important material and give it to one news outlet only, he should instead give it to multiple ones, might be a fair critique, except for the fact that that's how journalism is done every single day and none of these people object ever. In fact, they live on that. That's how their careers are built every single day, literally every day, people inside the U.S. government – the CIA, the FBI, the Pentagon, the NSA, the Justice Department, the Congress – take nonpublic information and they don't release it on the Internet for everyone to see. They hand-feed it to their favorite journalist, the journalist who they know will do their bidding and tell the story as they want it told. That's how journalism works in every case. And even when there are motives that are good, that's how it works. When Daniel Ellsberg had the Pentagon Papers, he didn't just dump them on the Internet. He took it to The New York Times. He handpicked The New York Times to tell the story. No one complained about that. When Edward Snowden had the NSA archive. He chose the journalist with whom he wanted to work, myself and Laura Poitras. And there were people complaining about that, but not because they were complaining about the process. They were complaining that they weren't the ones who got it. Bob Woodward said Snowden should have come to me. But that's how journalism works all the time, is that the source has information and picks the journalist with whom they want to work. 

They're not mad that this video footage has been given to one news organization. They're mad that it's been given to Fox instead of NBC or CNN or The New York Times, the ones on the other side of the narrative. And the reason they're mad about that is that they know that what Tucker is going to try and do is find the parts of the footage that have been concealed from you by the Jan. 6 Committee precisely because it negates the narrative they want to promote. 

So, that's the only thing that's going on here. I would prefer that all news outlets had it so we could all go through it but this is how it's done all the time. Every single major news story is done by them feeding – we learned, for example, that 51 former intelligence officials signed a letter falsely claiming that the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation, or at least it had the hallmarks of Russian disinformation, because as you see here, they called Natasha Bertrand on the phone, and she was the first one who got to publish that article, on October 18, 2020. “Hunter Biden Story is Russian disinformation. Dozens of former intel officials say”. No one complained. Why did they hand-feed this to Natasha Bertrand? The CIA has been feeding hand-picked stories to Natasha Bertrand for years, but she then goes and reports on Politico, The Atlantic, MSNBC, Business Insider and now CNN, where she works. It happens every day that they handpick her. 

Do you remember when the FBI searched Donald Trump's home in Mar a Lago to look for “nuclear documents”? Only certain media outlets got that story, one of which was The Washington Post. There you see the headline. “FBI Searched Trump's Home to Look for Nuclear Documents and Other Items, Sources Say”. And the article said as the former president said on social media, that he won't oppose a Justice Department request to unseal the search warrant, The Washington Post reported,

 

Classified documents relating to nuclear weapons were among the items FBI agents sought in search of former President Donald Trump's Florida residence on Monday, according to people familiar with the investigation”., They went to the Washington Post office. “The people who describe some of that material that agents were seeking spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation. They did not offer additional details about what type of information the agents were seeking, including whether it involved weapons belonging to the United States or some other nation. Nor did they say if such documents were recovered as part of the search (The Washington Post. August 12, 2022). 

 

But what they wanted was the headline that they got, which was a very incriminating headline, the most incriminating one possible, despite the fact that there was no evidence for it. “FBI Searched Trump's Home to Look For Nuclear Documents”. They got the most inflammatory and sensationalized headlines they could get and they got that because they hand-picked the news outlet, The Washington Post, that they knew would do that. 

Remember when Roger Stone got arrested at 6 a.m. by the FBI? And it just so happened that CNN was there and then CNN had to publish a story trying to report how it explained how this happened from January 25, 2019, how CNN captured video of the Roger Stone raid. And they claim they grouped together all these different little clues because, of course, people wanted CNN to be there. But Roger Stone got carried away in handcuffs. They didn't call Fox News. They didn't call Matt Taibbi. They didn't call The Grayzone. They called the news outlet they knew would do this in the most favorable way. This is how journalism works all the time. 

So, I would love it if Kevin McCarthy would order the surveillance footage put on the Internet. The problem is, it's the same reason Edward Snowden didn't dump all the information he had on the Internet, which is he didn't want there to be security breaches. He wanted us to carefully curate the information, make sure that no one was being put in harm's way, to go to the government, give the government a chance to say, oh, don't publish that document, if you publish that document, X, Y and Z will happen and then try and persuade us not to publish it. And most of the time that didn't work because the government’s claims are very vague. We knew they just didn't want us revealing how they were spying on people but there were a couple of occasions when they convinced us that if we were to publish documents that would result in genuine harm to innocent people and we didn't publish it. 

So, Frank Figliuzzi was claiming that he wants there to be a security review of this material before its release. Presumably, Fox will do that. They have responsible reporters. If you were to just throw it on the Internet or make it available to every single news organization that asked, that would exacerbate the security concerns and harms they claim they're worried about. 

What they're really worried about and angry about is they know that if there is footage that the Jan. 6 Committee didn't show you because it hides some kind of narrative they don't want you to know about, some facts they don't… They know Tucker Carlson and probably he alone in the corporate media will actually show it to you. Some other people on Fox are likely as well. That's what they're so upset about. They lost the monopoly they had in which of the footage you get to see, before, it was just Liz Cheney and Adam Schiff picking it. Do you feel confident that you got to see everything you should see based on what Adam Schiff and Liz Cheney decided they wanted to show you and what they thought should be hidden? I don't. I'm really glad there are people with different politics and different perspectives going through the rest of that material so we can get the full picture of it. 

If someone wants to say Kevin McCarthy should share it with multiple news organizations, I have no problem with that. As long as they don't pretend as they're pretending that that's the way it's normally done, the way it's normally done in Washington every single day, their entire careers are built on having people inside these government agencies feed information to them, knowing how obsequious and obedient they are to the source's agenda. So, ignore everything these people are saying because none of what they're saying about why they're mad is really why they're mad. What they're mad about is we're finally going to get to see the full story. Maybe we've already been shown the full story, but what they're scared of is that we haven't. And now, we're going to find out. And anyone who's actually interested in the truth and in transparency should be applauding this and not denouncing it. 

 

So, that is our show for tonight. We are very happy to be back after a few days off. As we said, we’ve taken a few days off, recharge your batteries, and come back with what we always hope is high-quality programming. We will be back tomorrow night and every night at 7 p.m. EST, exclusively here on Rumble, at our regular time. And on Tuesdays and Thursdays as well, we have our aftershow on Locals where we take your questions and respond to your feedback. Join our Locals community as well. Click the join sign right below the video on your screen on the Rumble page and you will be part of that community and will help support our journalism as well. 

Thanks, everybody for watching. 

Have a great night. 

We will see you back here tomorrow night.

 

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Trump's DC Takeover: Is it Legal? Israel Kills More Journalists, Including Anas al-Sharif; Glenn Reacts to Pete Buttigieg and JD Vance on Israel
System Update #501

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I am again on the road, specifically in New York City, in a hotel room, as I will be participating in a debate tomorrow night, hosted by the Soho Forum and Reason Magazine, regarding the constitutionality of President Trump's various deportation policies and other related questions. 

I have a lot I want to talk about, beginning with the decision and announcement by President Trump to basically, at least the moment, federalize the Police Department of Washington, D.C., as well as activate the National Guard to patrol the streets of Washington in response to what President Trump says is a serious out of control, crime epidemic. We'll look at both the legality and constitutionality of that decision and some of its implications. 

Also, again, every time we say that we don't think that there's any way for Israel to go any lower, for them to engage in any more horrific atrocities, they somehow do seem to find a way. Last night, they slaughtered five Al Jazeera journalists, including, arguably, the Al Jazeera journalist who has become the eyes and ears of Gaza for most of the time in all of the West; Anas al-Sharif was killed alongside four other journalists. This is now the 278th journalist that the Israelis have slaughtered in Gaza. Israel admits that it was a targeted killing, that they killed him on purpose and the Israeli claim, needless to say, I don't even need to tell you it's so predictable, is that, “Oh, he was Hamas,” and so therefore they were justified in killing him. 

Earlier today, another equally influential and prominent journalist had his house targeted with an Israeli bomb. It didn't kill the journalist, but it killed 10 members of his family. And then when rescue workers came to try to salvage those who were among the survivors, they bombed again, what's called a double tap, and they killed even more people. We have a horrific video of that. It really has gotten to the point where the contempt, the repulsion and condemnation that all decent people around the world have are insufficient for the magnitude of the atrocities. 

Of course, the U.S. government and both parties continue to support it. We'll have a clip from JD Vance for an interview that he gave on Fox News earlier today where he was asked about what he thinks of the Israeli plan to occupy all of Gaza, which, needless to say, has already resulted and will continue to result in even more killing of innocent people at a far more indiscriminate rate. We also have a response from Pete Buttigieg, who was once the mayor of South Bend, Indiana, and somehow parlayed that into a position as Secretary of Transportation under Joe Biden. He was asked about Israel on the Pod Save America podcast and gave the sort of technocratic, meaningless, mealy-mouthed, noncommittal, frightened response that has caused even Democratic Party partisans, let alone everybody else, to absolutely despise Democrats, not even for ideology, just because of their complete cowardice as for ever take a position or say anything whatsoever. He's a McKinsey consultant and that's exactly how he talks about everything: completely dead-eyed, passion-free, afraid to take any position on anything. 

There’s a lot to talk about. 

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System Update #500

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Welcome to episode 500 of System Update, which means that over the last two years, ever since we launched in December of 2022, 500 times I have sat my ass in this chair, and we have done a program for you. Today is number 500. 

System Update, of course, is our live nightly show that airs every Monday through Friday at 7 p.m. Eastern, exclusively here on Rumble, the free speech alternative to YouTube. 

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Every Friday night, as we're doing tonight, we take questions solely from our Locals members. We try to answer as many as we can.

 You may have noticed as well that, inspired by Donald Trump, all art today in commemoration of 500 shows is in gold, not our typical green and black. No, everything is gold. We went all out for tonight. So, I really hope you enjoy it.

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The first of which is from @alan_smithee. And he asked this:

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One of the reasons why I didn't talk about it, despite obviously being extremely interested in all three of them and the subject matter that they cover, I obviously am a longtime friend of Tucker’s. I used to be on the show, I think more than anybody else, when he was on Fox News, and now, on his podcast, I'm on frequently, maybe the guest who's been on the most as well, not really sure. It's not a competition. I don't know why I have to keep saying I'm at the top of the charts, but just to indicate the frequency, and he's been on our show before. So, I definitely consider him a friend of mine. Candace, I have a good relationship; I would describe it as friendly. I've chatted with Nick over the years a little bit, certainly not near the same level of interaction. 

I had this issue with Matt Taibbi. I was recently on Briahna Joy Gray's show, but also, I might have even been on a different show, where people were trying to ask me about Matt Taibbi and some of the criticism of him. Yeah, we've gotten questions about Matt Taibbi here as well over the past few months about things like his refusal to comment on Israel and Gaza, his infrequent commentary on the First Amendment issues raised by deporting students who speak critically of Gaza, the imposition of hate speech codes on American campuses by the Trump administration to shield Israel from criticism. 

I'm very honest about the fact that when someone is your friend, when you consider someone as your friend, at least for me, I really don't feel comfortable publicly criticizing them. It's actually one of the reasons why I go out of my way not to be friends or have any social ties with the people I'm supposed to be covering in Washington – politicians, major journalists. I've always thought the fact that I don't live in New York or Washington to be one of the greatest benefits for my journalism because I'm not in the middle of their social scenes. I don’t owe any social niceties to them. I don't feel as though if I criticize them, it's going to affect my social life or put me in uncomfortable positions. I take the obligation of friendship seriously. If you're actually somebody's friend, it comes with loyalty, and part of that loyalty is that, if you have problems with what they do and say, you go to them privately. It would take a lot for me to publicly criticize or down someone I consider my friend.

 I'm just being honest about that. Maybe that's not even the right thing to do. I'm not praising myself. I'm telling you how I feel personally. But again, I think if you live in New York, if you live in Washington, and you're integrated into that political media world, that is one of the reasons why it's so incestuous, why they constantly cover for each other, why there's so much groupthink within it. 

They're always talking to each other, for each order. To be part of these social scenes on which they depend, you have to be welcome. Part of being welcome is that you don't stray too far from their dogma. And I've always aggressively kept a very distant arm's length from people in positions of power, from major media figures, so that I don't feel constrained about giving my honest views or critiques or analysis or reporting on them. 

Occasionally, you do become friends with people almost by accident, who then end up in positions of power. Tulsi Gabbard is a good example. I have no problem criticizing Tulsi Gabbard because, whatever good relations I've had with her before, she's now the director of National Intelligence, and I'm not going to pull punches when I have critiques of Tulsi and I am also going to praise her only because I feel the praise is warranted. 

So, sometimes you just have to accept the fact that somebody has risen to a particular position or entered a type of power position, and there's just no getting around the fact that your job requires honest critique. I don't feel like that's the case for any of the people involved here, Tucker, Candace, or Nick Fuentes. I don't feel like any of them is a government official. Obviously, they all do have a great deal of influence in very different ways. So, I don't want to side with any one of them, nor do I want to necessarily say that I think insults or criticisms that they've launched at each other are warranted, but it is an extremely important conversation, so I also don't want to avoid it entirely, because for one thing these are three people, and obviously people understand how influential Tucker and Candace are. They're arguably the two most prominent conservative journalists/pundits, influencers. Maybe you could put Charlie Kirk in there, maybe Ben Shapiro, but Tucker and Candace are both bigger. I mean, Tucker hosted the most-watched show in the history of cable news for five years at the 8 o'clock spot on Fox. He's been on TV for 25 years before that. And Candace is just a powerhouse. She's a force of nature. Whatever you think of her, whatever you think of the Macron stuff, whatever you're thinking for Israel stuff, whatever, I'm leaving that on the side, I'm just saying. 

The fact of the matter is that when Candace left The Daily Wire, which, of course, is founded and run by Ben Shapiro after she had a falling out with Ben Shapiro and Jeremy Boreing, the other co-founder, over her criticism of Israel, which at the time was very mild – she was basically saying, “I don't think we should be bombing and killing children.” – that was pretty much the extent of it which caused this massive upheaval. A lot of people wondered, well, what is she going to do? Just like people wondered what Tucker Carlson was going to do, and they both went on to become, in my view, far more influential. 

I'm not saying that Tucker's position in the mediocre system now is necessarily larger than it is at the 8 o'clock spot on Fox News, but being at the 8 o'clock hour on Fox News comes with a lot of constraints, as he found out when he got fired, despite being the highest rated host on all of cable news. And he's completely liberated of those constraints now, I mean, completely. Completely. He's financially set. Fox is still paying this gigantic contract. He also now has a very successful platform. I mean, he's not worried about saying or doing whatever he wants. I know he feels – he said this before, publicly, not just in our conversations – that there were a lot of things he did as part of his career that he deeply regrets. Just being part of the Washington Group. 

I think he was raised there. I mean, he wasn't raised physically in Washington, but he eventually went there. But his father was very integrated into the U.S. deep state, that we could call it, ties to the CIA, he ran the propaganda arm of the U.S. government, Voice of America, was very, very integrated into that world. He grew up with a lot of wealth and privileges as he will tell you, and so when he got to Washington and got on TV very early on, he really was just immersed in this subculture that led him to believe, or at least not even necessarily to believe but to say a lot of things that he didn't really fully believe, or maybe that you can get yourself to believe things that you don't really believe because you just feel like it's what everyone around you expects you to say. 

Unlike a lot of people who are guilty of the same thing, Tucker has probably more than anybody else been extremely candid about what he regrets, and not only what he regrets, I'm not just talking about support for the Iraq war, I'm talking about the whole support that he gave for George Bush, Dick Cheney, neoconservative ideology, and not just on foreign policy, but also on economic policy and I think it's often overlooked. Everyone sees his head in foreign policies. Even when he was at Fox, he was criticizing Trump for doing things like assassinating General Soleimani, saying, “This is not in our interest. This might be in the interest of neocons or Israel, but why would we risk a war with Iran when that's not in our interest?” He was saying things like that even on Fox. He probably was the single most influential figure who took a lot of MAGA people, a lot of people on the right, and turned them against the war in Ukraine every night. 

I was on his show dozens of times talking about that war to the point where when he got fired from Fox, a bunch of Republican lawmakers ran to Politico or Axios anonymously and celebrated his firing and saying, “Oh, now our lives are going to be much easier. We can now fund the war in Ukraine without as much public pushback.” And that trajectory was because not just that he regretted what he had previously advocated and acknowledged his wrongdoing, but he was and is really determined to kind of repent for it. And he feels like the way to repent for it is by never again allowing himself to be blind. 

He moved out of Washington, used to live in the middle of Georgetown, where Victoria Nuland lived, I think, down the street or the other street. I mean, that's where they all lived. Now, he lives in rural Maine. He also lives on an island in Florida. He purposely took himself to very isolated places that are completely detached from that world, for the same reason as I was just describing. Not only do you feel less constrained, but you see things more clearly. You don't wake up every day and immediately get surrounded by people who are just part of this blob of groupthink and so, you're able to analyze things from a distance. It’s sort of like if you go into a big city and you're on a street corner, the vision that you have of what the city looks like is radically different than if you fly over it because that distance from what you're looking at gives you a better perspective, or at least, maybe not even better, but different. And the same thing happens when you move out of Washington or New York, and you purposely stay away from it, you start to see things more clearly because you're not immersed in it. And I do find that extremely valuable. 

I find that trajectory very, very positive. It's one of the reasons why, probably more than anything else that I've ever done, what caused much of the left turn against me, not all, but much, was number one, my refusal to get on board with Russiagate, but number two, my association with Tucker. I saw early on that there was a real movement within parts of the populist right, which you're now seeing in lots of different ways, not just questioning Israel and foreign policy and war, but also corporatism and the idea of economic populism. And yes, there are lots of deviations from it, but I mean Tucker and a few others were what made me see how real that was and how much of an opportunity there was, and not just to keep yourself in prison in the Democratic Party. 

So, I do believe Tucker's trajectory is real. I do believe that he's sincere and genuine in what he's saying. You never know what's fully in a person's heart, not even your own heart. You can't know for certain. You can deceive yourself about your own motives, your own thoughts and even the people you're closest to, your friends. But I have enough confidence in how well I know him, not just professionally, but personally as well, the time we spent together, the time that we've talked, that I do believe that he's very authentic in what he's saying. I think his trajectory is continuing. I don't think he's stopped at the point where he's going to be. And I think it's been very positive on almost every level. 

So that’s Tucker over here; then let's kind of put Candace in a similar position. I don't know Candace as well, so I can't comment to that degree of confidence about who she is and why she's doing what she's doing, but, two years ago, Candace worked at The Daily Wire, four years ago, she was in Jerusalem with Charlie Kirk celebrating Trump's move of the capital of Israel to Jerusalem, a long-time pipe dream, what seemed like a pipe dream of the furthest, most radicalized Greater Israel fanatics and their supporters in the United States. And there was very little criticism coming from Candace about Israel. In fact, the opposite was true. 

In her case, she's a lot younger than Tucker, she's only been around for not all that long, and I know personally that when you start off doing this work and you're able to spend full time digging into things, if you're minimally a critical thinker, if you're minimally open-minded, your views are going to morph the more you learn, the more you dive into things, the more you experience things. That is healthy and normal. And I do believe that her views, which she most passionately expresses, to which she pays the most attention, are genuine, which isn't the same thing as saying I agree with them all and they're all positive. I'm just saying I believe she also believes the things she's saying. I don't think it's calculated. I don't think it's about grifting. If it were, she could have stayed at The Daily Wire. There are easier ways to make a popular path than doing what she does. 

She defends Harvey Weinstein. She took up that case. There was hardly a public clamoring for that, especially among the audience that she cultivated. Also, the Macron stuff, all the stuff with Israel – she's been excluded from a lot of mainstream corporate media circles to which she used to have complete access and in which she could have risen without limits, obviously She’s very talented, like Tucker, she is a communicator, and she chose a much harder path, and I think that was through genuine conviction. There are many differences between Tucker and Candace, but for that purpose, you can put them together. 

And then you have Nick Fuentes. And just for those of you who haven't seen it, I'm just going to give you this summary of what's happened in the past few months, not going back years. The short version of this is that Nick Fuentes is often very critical of people who seem like they're the closest to him politically. So, he spends a lot of time criticizing Charlie Kirk – I was going to say Ben Shapiro, but I don't think Ben Shapiro is remotely close to Nick Fuentes – but Charlie Kirk on the surface could be. He spent a lot of time criticizing Matt Walsh. And he has also hurled a lot of criticism and might even say insults toward Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson. 

In response, Candace Owens invited him for the first time on her podcast. Although I do think they have far more views in common than differences, the podcast was a bit hostile. I would say it's, in part, because Candace had some acrimonious points to raise with him, but also because – and she played some of these clips, I mean, Nick Fuentes had very harshly attacked her and criticized her, calling her a bitch who doesn't know what she's doing, and if you're going to do that, the people who are your targets are not necessarily going to love you, and so this was really the triggering event. 

She invited him to her podcast. He got a huge audience – between Candace and Nick Fuentes, who has a gigantic following online, in some ways you could argue he's as influential these days as Candace and Tucker, and maybe headed for even surpassing them, which again, generationally is natural – but because that interview was acrimonious and brought out a lot of tensions and personal conflicts, it kind of spilled over online because Nick left that interview and started really condemning Candace, accusing her of sandbagging him in the interview and the like, and then they had a big fight online. 

And then, before you knew it, Tucker asked Candace to come to his podcast. So, you're now talking about Candace Owens on Tucker Carlson's podcast, obviously a gigantic interview. And both of them, I don't know if they planned it, but both of them talked about Nick Fuentes in an extremely derogatory way. I mean, Tucker did acknowledge that, which you cannot deny. It's kind of like you can hate Trump all you want, but there's no denying his charisma, his skill in communicating, and the fact that he's very funny. 

For a long time, it was like heresy to say that, but there's no denying that that's true. I have no trouble admitting that people I can't stand are smart. I think Dick Cheney is very smart. I actually think Liz Cheney is very smart, just to give two examples, a lot of other ones as well. You can acknowledge the skills and assets that people have who you dislike or even despise. It’s not inconsistent. So, Tucker did acknowledge, like, look, Nick Fuentes is spectacularly talented. He is like a very rare, generational talent in terms of his ability to go before the camera, attract attention and be charismatic. But he's not like a ranter and a raver. Nick Fuentes is very well read, very, very informed. There aren't a lot of people who know more about the topics Nick Fuentes covers than Nick Fuentes does. It's very impressive. And that combination of being very charismatic, an extremely adept communicator, just kind of a natural camera presence, and having really smart insights that are grounded not in sensationalism or blind ideology, but lots of reading and thinking and critical evaluation, it's very potent. That's the reason why he's becoming so popular that even people at the heights of Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson can't really ignore it anymore. 

They talked about Nick Fuentes as though he were just sort of some loser, like Tucker was saying, like, “How did he become so influential? He was just this gay kid living in his mother's basement in Chicago.” And I don't think Tucker quite meant it that way, but that is how some of it came off. Both agreed that he was some sort of psyop to destroy the right, that he maybe was a Fed working for the CIA. 

That led Nick to do a series of shows, a couple of segments, where he just tore into Tucker and Candace, particularly Tucker, in a way that suggests that he was: “How can you possibly call me this, Psyop, or this operative, or this person who works for the CIA, when you spent your whole life inside these circles? Candace Owens was the one working for Ben Shapiro, and Tucker Carlson was working for Rupert Murdoch, making millions; Nick Fuentes wasn't. 

Nick's basic point was, like, you’re all very late to this game, like criticizing Israel, talking about the influence of the Israel lobby in the United States. You've only started doing this last year, whereas I've been doing it for years. This is what I think is at the heart of the matter: there are people who have been talking about Israel in this way for a long time. Noam Chomsky did, Norman Finkelstein did. 

One of the most important events was in 2007 when two of the most prestigious political scientists and international relations scholars in the United States, John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt, wrote a book called “The Israel Lobby.” First, it was an essay in the London Review of Books, and then it turned into this massive tome, this 700-page book. It’s footnoted to the hilt because they're scholars, and they wrote the book that way. At the time, nobody on the mainstream was willing to say that. It was pretty much confined to the left, where you were free to say it. 

So, at the time, I was more associated with the left, perceived as being on the left. So, I was saying all these things for many years, but it wasn't all that risky for me because of the political camp that people perceived that I was in. I've always had one foot in that left-wing camp back then and one foot in the kind of libertarian, more independent camp, but in both of those camps it was totally fine, totally even welcome to talk about why we do so much for Israel, the evils of Israel, how they control our politics, how we go to war for them, how much money we spend to support them. 

So, I wasn't taking any risks – I've taken risks in my career, but I don't consider that as one – but Nick Fuentes, when he started doing it, was 18 years old, and he had this very promising future inside conservative media. At 18, he'd already been spotted as a talent. He had small shows, but he was making connections with and networking with some of the people who were very influential inside corporate media. People now forget, because now there's a lot of space for talking this way about Israel, but at the time, there was basically none. 

Before Donald Trump, there was almost nobody on the right willing to talk this way about Israel. You had Pat Buchanan, who did it for a long time, going back to the ‘80s, and he was viciously smeared as an anti-Semite. You had Ron Paul, who did the same thing. And then you had Trump kind of come in and create this space, and Nick Fuentes started really looking into it. I'm going into this not because of the personalities, but because I think they raise very broader issues about how all of this has evolved, not just for them, but for the broader discourse. 

Fuentes started off in conservative politics. At first, he thought Israel was our greatest ally and we have to support them: all the standard Republican and conservative views that have dominated both Republican and Democratic Party politics for decades. But then, the more he started questioning it, the more he started becoming vocal about it. And the more he became vocal about it, the more he became shunned inside the conservative media world, in which he had a very bright future. And rather than shutting up, as he was told to do, knowing that that might be better for his career, he couldn't. He just doesn't have that personality type. And he just had to keep examining it and keep saying it, and to say that Nick Fuentes paid a price for that is an understatement. Nick Fuentes has been excluded and booted out of every conceivable precinct of conservative media, even ones that consider themselves radical, dissident and far-right ones. I was playing on the mainstream ones. 

He was physically banned from going to Charlie Kirk's “Turning Points USA” and lots of other conferences like that. He was fired from the media platforms he was starting to develop. He was shunned by the friends that he had made, younger people on the side of the conservative movement. Then, it escalated from there. He got banned from almost every social media platform, including X. Elon Musk eventually reinstated him once he bought X, where he now is, but the only platform where he could be was Telegram. Now, he's on Rumble because Rumble is a genuine free speech platform. He has a show on Rumble that he does, I think, every night or four nights a week, and has found a good-sized audience. But really, it was on Twitter that he got his most attention, and that's why they banned him from Twitter in the pre-Musk era. But it wasn't just that. 

He wasn't just silenced and banned throughout all social media; he was also debanked. He had bank accounts closed, because of his political views, by major banks in the United States. He would get rejected for banking applications. He was put on a No-Fly list, which is the first time I really spoke about Nick, when I raised serious concerns about No-Fly lists being used in this way. His career has been severely impeded, not from what people believe are his racist views about Black people or immigrants; tons of people have those views and are perfectly welcome and fine in right-wing circles. The sole cause of it was his opposition to Israel and his questioning of the power of the Jewish lobby to keep the United States subservient to Israel. It just wasn't said. It was just a taboo. It was one of the third rails of American political discourse that would get anybody fired or destroyed for talking about it. 

Now, a lot of people talk about it, and it's become almost mainstream, but back then, especially on the right, almost nobody did. He paid a huge price, personally, financially, for his career, for his reputation, for his friendships, for his ability to get bank accounts. The government even put him on a no-fly list. And then last year, let's not forget, a homicidal maniac came to his house to try to murder him; shot two of his neighbors and killed them, and showed up at his house with a very large automatic weapon. This person eventually ended up being killed by the police. Another woman showed up at his house, a crazy liberal woman whom he had to pepper-spray. So, he's paid a big price for this. 

I don't want to speak for him, but I definitely identify with this mindset. I've had it too, sometimes, which is that if you are the first person or one of the first people to kind of get out on that plank and you're taking the shots because of it and very few other people are willing to join you,  and then at some point, it becomes a little safer to do it – I'm not saying it's safe; Tucker has also paid a price for it. I mean, half his audience has turned on him. He's now widely attacked by conservatives as being an anti-Semite, a Qatari agent, and Candace as well. So, it's not cost-free at all and Tucker didn't have to do it. He could have just ignored it. So, he's paid for a place too. 

But there's a big difference between Tucker Carlson in his mid-50s with a gigantic multimillion-dollar-year contract with Fox News, coming from the family that he came from, versus Nick Fuentes as a 22-year-old enduring all of that, and he comes from no wealth, no privilege. I think the idea is Nick feels like he was out on that plank, taking all these arrows and punishments, and then, in part, I do think that he helped open the space on the right to start talking more about Israel in a more honest way. It is true that Tucker and Candace, for the most part, hadn't really ever talked about it until after October 7, when, as Nick says, it almost became inevitable. They could have both ignored it. They could've both just spouted a few light lip services to it, but both of them made it very central to their cause, which they didn't have to do. It was not in their interest to do as well. But they did do it. 

But I think he feels like, I'm the one who actually paid the price for this. I was the one who was doing this earlier. Then the two of you come and now start doing it when it's a little bit safer, and also you're more protected because of your platform and standing in wealth, and you want to basically throw me in the garbage and declare me off limits, like, be the gatekeeper that says, you can go up to this point where Tucker and Candace are, but you can't go to Nick Fuentes; he's way too hateful or radical or dangerous or whatever. He feels like they're very late to the game, that he was braver, that he paid a bigger price and then they came along at an easier time and decided that they were the outer limits of where you can go on these discussions about Israel and the like. I'm not saying that's what I think, I'm saying that's what he thinks. I identify with that view. 

I think he would be fine if they would get there and say Nick Fuentes is one of the first people doing this, let's welcome him on our show. But the fact that he's still excluded, to the fact that they called him gay, loser, basically, in his parents' basement, implied that he was working for the CIA or was an agent, probably of Qatar, to destroy the right. I think that's what made him start being resentful, and also, there is this class issue here, which is very real. It's not his fault; Tucker's mother left them when he was very young. Then his father married an heiress from the Swanson fortune. And although she wasn't his mother. It was his stepmother. Obviously, he was living with his father and his stepmother, and they had a very good relationship. She was very good to him. And he ended up having all these benefits from a very young age. First, great wealth and privilege, and then some amount of fame, and then more fame, and then more wealth. And that's more or less been his life. 

Candace, I'm not sure about where she came from, what her family situation was, but once she got very big, she became very wealthy, and then she went to work for The Daily Wire, had a very lucrative contract there, and now she's married to, I heard Nick saying he's British royalty. I don't know if he is, maybe he is. I don't know one way or the other, but I know he's extremely wealthy. And I think there's a class issue there, too, which is like, you two purport to be the kind of warriors for this group of which you're not a part, which has kind of disaffected working-class white people. And Nick's saying, “I actually came from there and now suddenly you two, from your great mountain of wealth and privilege and lifelong or at least in Candace's case, years long, financial power and privilege and status and wealth, whatever, are coming in and trying to talk about me like I'm some loser and yeah I'm a loser in the sense that lots of white people have become trampled on by the United States and that is supposed to be what right-wing populism cares about.” 

So, I thought it was very telling. I do think, if I’m totally honest, it's more personal than substantive. I think Nick feels a lot of resentment for how he's been treated. 

I think Candace and Tucker feel resentment that they put a lot on the line to go where they went and one of the people who has a big influential audience, especially among young conservatives, have kind of gone to war with them. So, I think there's a lot of personal animist and personal resentment driving this, but there's also something very substantive here as well, which is about how people who are a little bit further along on the extremist train sometimes get attacked by the people who are less so, where they want to draw a line and kind of cut off the plank and have you fall off, even though you are on the plank first. I think Nick feels like that's being done to him, and I also think that there is a real class conflict that is driving a lot of this which is very much a part of the conservative world. I mean, huge amounts of conservative influencers, conservative pundits, conservative operatives who claim that they're there to speak for the working-class, for disaffected white people in the United States, are hanging out with billionaires every day and being funded by billionaires and meeting with billionaires and getting invites to the White House and to every center of power. And a lot of compromises are required to do that. And Nick's not willing to make them, and a lot of them are, and that is a substantive issue as well. 

Tucker and Candace, I do think, and they don't get very many invites to those circles. Tucker more than Candace. Tucker because he's been around for so long. He's good friends with people in the Trump administration. He campaigned for Trump, Trump likes him, even though Trump repudiated him and insulted him because of his opposition to the war in Iran. But there are a lot of tension points inside the MAGA movement that are very real, even if some of them are personally driven. We're human beings, we all harbor jealousies and vindictive sentiments and resentments. It's a Herculean effort to try to exclude those as much as possible. We all have to try; some of us do better than others. But none of us is immune from that. So, I'm not suggesting that it's a huge character flaw. I'm just saying I do think that's part of it. But I also think, at least as big of a part, if not bigger, are some of these ideological and class issues who's sort of keeping one foot in decent society and who's willing to say fully what they think without it. And the last thing I'll say is, and this is sort of what I began by saying, which is you can like somebody or not, but it doesn't mean you should lie about their skills or their successes. 

Nick Fuentes, I had a big online following for a few years, but it was very much a kind of online following that was almost like a cult following. It was like a very idiosyncratic group of people. They called themselves the Gropers. They didn't have a lot of cachet or influence outside of their circles, in part because Nick Fuentes wasn't invited anywhere into those more mainstream circles, or even less mainstream far-right circles. He kind of built his entire world himself. 

There are tons of successful podcasters and influencers who really don't have an original thought. They know what they have to get up and say to validate their audience, to show their loyalty to a particular circle. They may even have some talent in terms of rhetoric and communication, some charisma, but they're not very critically minded. They don't do a lot of reading. I can't tell you how often I listen to some of the podcasters of the biggest audience, and you're just like: How are you so ignorant? How do you think about these things? Do you ever stop and breathe and reflect, or read anything? Like read anything substantive in or bound like a Wikipedia page? So, there's a lot of that. 

But go listen to Nick Fuentes, if you haven't. And if you have preconceptions about what he is, I'm not saying that he doesn't say things that are provocative and deliberately cross lines on purpose sometimes, when he doesn't need to, just to cross them. Though I do think it's often purposeful, it's not just about a teenage transgressive instinct. 

So, there are definitely things he said that are offensive. Genuinely so, and not offensive in that, oh my god, you've offended me. But things that I think he would even acknowledge, he often says he doesn't really mean it, he is prone to rhetorical excess, and it's part of the whole presence. But everything that he talks about, he is extremely knowledgeable about and well-versed in. 

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Next question is from @edonk77, who says this:

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All right, the quick Ted Kaczynski story just for anyone who doesn't know it: out of nowhere in the ‘90s, in the Clinton administration, bombs started being sent to mailboxes. They were pretty sophisticated bombs, and they injured and even killed people. It was taking place across the country, and the FBI, the Attorney General, who at the time was Janet Reno, had no idea who was doing it. 

The person who was doing it wrote a letter, believed by the New York Times and the Washington Post, saying, “I will stop if you publish my essay about my ideas and what's motivating me.” And obviously, the instinct of the government is to say, “We’re not going to give in to your terrorist tactics,” which in classic terrorism is kind of what it was: it was violence directed at civilians to induce political and social change.  But it got to the point where the Justice Department was so desperate, they didn't have a first clue about who was doing that. It was like really the perfect crime. They agreed.

So, the Washington Post, maybe the New York Times, too, published this essay by Ted Kaczynski. The reason the Justice Department was willing to do it, aside from the fact that they thought it would help identify who it was, was because they thought what he had written was kind of just such lunacy, madness, that nobody would really read it and even think it deserved attention. And also, they were obviously made it known that the person who wrote that was the person who was sending these violent acts, the terrorist bombs, killing civilians or injuring civilians. They just assumed the hatred for him would overwhelm any interest in what he had to say. 

On one of those bets, they actually turned out to be right, because publishing this essay caused, eventually, Ted Kaczynski's brother, to come forward and say, “I think this is my brother. His writing seems familiar. His ideas are familiar.” That's how they were able to eventually track Ted Kaczynski down. 

Ted Kaczynski was a prodigy, recognized by everybody, as being brilliant – graduated high school at the age of 15, went to Harvard, completed a degree in mathematics. He then went to a PhD program, I think at the University of Chicago, at a top school, and then ended up teaching at Berkeley. And he was on the path of being the youngest ever tenured professor. He was a genuinely brilliant person, not brilliant in the sense that David Frum or Ann Abelbaum gets called brilliant, but genuinely brilliant. 

But what they were very wrong about was the fact that nobody would have any interest in his essay, that nobody would connect to any of his ideas, and that the hatred for Ted Kaczynski, even if people were willing to be open-minded, would make people refuse to read a terrorist essay and take it seriously. At first, that was true, but over time, people started turning to it and saying, “You know what? This seems quite important. There are a lot of ideas here that are very, very relevant and seem prophetic and explain a lot of what previously had been inexplicable.” 

I can't do a good job paraphrasing or summarizing the essay. It's very complex. It's highly worth reading. You can find it free online. It ended up being published in a longer-form, book format. You can read the essay in its long form or the book. But the basic theme of it was that technology was destroying humanity and the ability for human beings to live happy and fulfilled lives. And he traced it back to the Industrial Revolution, but then, how technology has advanced more and more. Before the Industrial Revolution, people were living in small towns, in villages, in nature like they had always lived on farms, had churches, had communities. They were very closely connected to their neighbors, to their extended family and they were living as human beings had lived for thousands of years. We're political and social animals. We need a connection. Without connection, human beings are going to go crazy. 

Eventually, we got to the point Charles Dickens was talking about: the hideous realities of living in gigantic cities as factory workers, completely exploited, working extremely long days for little pay. It is breaking people physically, spiritually, psychologically and emotionally, and that is definitely one of the costs, as we've even gone further down this road. 

And I think it's what Ted Kaczynski predicted, which is that the more technologically we come, the less human, the less fulfilled our natural human needs are. What it means to be human will be consumed by technology and turned into even more exploited tools and objects that barely look at us as humans, arranging our lives so that everything that gives us pleasure and is necessary for happiness is taken away. 

And just quickly on this, there's a Netflix documentary, I've mentioned this before, called “Happiness,” which is a documentary designed to ask, what is human happiness? How do humans acquire happiness? What is necessary and what isn't? And what they found is that a lot of what data reflects is that in many societies where people are economically deprived and without a lot of technology, they're much happier than in much wealthier Western countries. 

This documentary makes a very good case using science, not just pop psychology, about why, oftentimes, technological expansion and wealth expansion undermine human happiness. Ted Kaczynski also warned that, as technology evolved further and further, our societies are less humane, less fulfilling and less connected. And clearly, all of that is true. That is exactly what has happened. I'm not saying we need to dismantle it, but he actually lived those words, he dropped out of the whole matrix basically, when he was, I think 24, left his job as a faculty member and just went into the woods, lived a self-sufficient life off the grid, read, wrote, and did not much else other than working on his writing and his development and thoughts. The more he did that, the more he became convinced that being in the middle of this matrix was uniquely devastating to the ability of humans to be free and happy. 

Of course, that started resonating in America and in Europe and throughout the Western world as people became less and less happy. All the things he was describing as to why, and the role technology plays in that, would obviously exacerbate all that. Remember, this was 1995. I mean, the internet was just starting, but it was nowhere near as dominant in our lives. 

Obviously, with the internet, we often talk to people on phones or on screens. We have our phones everywhere. So, a lot of the human connection and interactivity you once had just walking on the street is now taken away from you because everybody's staring at their phones. You go to restaurants, any restaurant anywhere in the Western world, and you have people who are related, people who are friends, who talk a little, and they both pull out their phones. And before you know it, they're both staring at their phones, and especially with COVID, which forcibly segregated everybody and kept everybody at home, where people even developed a greater dependence on the internet to do everything, including interacting with other humans, this isolation has become far worse and all of the predictable pathologies that come with it that he predicted are also worsening very rapidly, in a very dangerous way. 

I mean, to me, this is the West's greatest problem: spiritual decay that comes from lack of connection. Obviously, there are benefits to technology. We have cures to diseases that we would otherwise die from. The internet makes the world easier, gives you access to things, including reading and information that you otherwise, etc. etc. There are a lot of benefits. But for me, one of the things I think I've learned is that the only real law of the universe is balance, by which I mean for everything that you drive a benefit, there's an equal cost, at least, that offsets it and keeps it in balance. Whatever: fame, wealth, career, success, it all comes with a cost. I definitely think that's the case of technology, and Ted Kaczynski was one of the first people to lay out this case in the way he laid it out. So even though he was a terrorist, even though he killed people, a lot of people began to think, you know what? I think there's a lot of validity here. 

You might ask why he goes to the scene to kill people? He had an academic pedigree. He probably could have gotten this published. I don't really know. I haven't paid much attention lately to this whole episode, so I forgot what the rationale was for that. But in any event, maybe he was also a little imbalanced himself. That probably was true. But, sometimes, being mentally imbalanced or at least mentally alienated, in a way, is necessary to produce insights. Even going back to that last question we talked about, you remove yourself from a certain society or a sector of society, it gives you a much greater clarity of thought because you're no longer connected to it or in it, and you can see it much clearly. I'm sure that's what happens if you just remove yourself completely. 

One of the things the question asked about is left-wing politics. And the person who just asked this question, I'm on the political left, but a lot of his critiques of what left-wings politics is about and the flaws in it, I must admit have validity. And basically, what Ted Kaczynski's warning was, and this definitely proved prophetic, was that the idea would be to make this system of technology and the capitalism that emerged from it invulnerable, so nobody blamed it, nobody wants to undermine it, nobody wants to subvert it, no matter what it's doing to us we're all propagandized to revere it to believe it's all good to believe it's invulnerable, to believe that we benefit from it. And he said one of the ways that that's going to succeed is that people are going to be given kind of culture war fights or social justice causes, which are going to make them feel like they're doing something subversive or radical, when in reality nothing that they're doing is a threat remotely to any real power center.

 Compact Magazine, which is I think a really interesting magazine, it kind of explores the intersection between left and right populism had an article on June 16, 2023, which I really recommend. The headline of it was: “Ted Kaczynski Anti-Left Leftist.” 

Obviously, this vision he's presenting in some ways is left-wing. It's a denunciation of capitalism and its excesses, the Industrial Revolution, and technology, that has a left-wing ethos for sure, but he was also scornful of modern-day, leftist political expression. 

A week or two ago, Ryan Grim as on our show and we were talking about the kind of fraudulent branding of Bari Weiss and The Free Press. There was supposedly a heterodox and dissident when, in reality, it really grew from objecting to a lot of the excesses of the woke movement. And Ryan basically said, if you're talking about kids with blue hair or whatever color hair someone has, or if they're trans or not or whatever, you're not talking about anything that is about the real structure and dissemination of power. It's like catnip. They're happy to have you fight about racism, feminism, yeah, they love racism. They love feminism. Remember the CIA did that whole video, super woke video? They centered like a, what was she? She was, I think, a non-binary Latina who had neurodivergence. And she was just like, “I stand proud and tall and occupy space unapologetically” as a Latino non-binary immigrant, whatever. They're so happy to have that. “Hey, look at our Black generals. We're going to celebrate our Black military officials. We're the Pentagon. Hey, with the FBI, look at all our cool badass women agents or fighter pilots. Look, they're women now.” It's like, “Oh, wow, that's so awesome. We've done so much to change society.” It's that famous cartoon where a Muslim family in Yemen are looking up at the sky and kind of smiling and saying, “I hear the neck bomb is going to be sent, is going to be dropped by a woman pilot.” 

It's just like, here's Hillary Clinton. She's so radical and such a wild departure from everything before, because she's going to be the first female president when there's like nobody more representative of status quo politics than she. So, you vote for her. You feel like you're doing something really like a big blow against the power center and the patriarchy, because now there's a woman and you put her in office and she's going to be the best possible protector of status-quo prerogatives and power centers everywhere, because she presents this illusion that you've done something historic or subversive, when in reality you're just working as hard as you can to entrench the status quo that you think you're working against. 

Ted Kaczynski was incredibly prescient about that as well. There's a lot more to him than what I've gone over. There's a lot to the essay. I just can't do that justice in the time we have, even though I took another hour. 

I did want to give my thoughts on it, but I also highly encourage you to go find the essay, even just start with the essay and I think you'll be amazed if you just sit down and read it, forget about he's the Unabomber, all that. Just read it, and remember it was written in the early to mid-1990s, and so even if some of it seems more familiar now, at the time it was very prescient, but also the way he described it, the historical framework he employed to shed light on how it works, that it's not just some brand new thing, it's gone back, basically traced it back to the Industrial Revolution. There are not very many better ways to spend your time in terms of your brain and your critical thinking, then to go read that essay. 

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All right, here's a few questions on Gaza. 

First from @CatRika:

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@Lightwins2028:

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It actually is incredible that I come here and sit here every night and do this show more or less every night 500 times. I will accept that as well and agree that it is kind of incredible.

And then from @johnmccray:

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I will confess that what we've seen in Gaza over the last 20 months is not just some horrific tragedy or even war on the other side of the world; it is a genocide that involves some of the most twisted cruelty and sadism I have ever witnessed in my life –  obviously, I wasn't alive in World War II, which is why I say ‘in my lifetime.’ However, when you announce that you're blocking all food from entering an enclave that you fully surround and control – and yes, there's a small border with Egypt and Gaza, but the Israeli military is on the other side of that, controlling egress and ingress into it and out of it (besides, the Egyptian dictator is U.S. supported and always has been for decades because he's there to take marching orders from the U.S. regarding Israel).

When you take this concentrated open-air prison enclave, where people can't leave, can't come in, you ban the media from coming in, and you announce to the world you're putting a blockade on any food from entering it, and you knowingly starve them to death, you knowingly blockade food from entering on top of what they're already experiencing – endless bombing, people burning alive in their churches, in their tents, every hospital, every school, all of civilian life being destroyed… The doctors who are there don't have basic medicines. They don't have antibiotics, they don't have feeding formula for babies, they don't have painkillers or anesthesia for the children who come in with their limbs blown off – just the absolute, worst nightmares that human beings could possibly endure for a sustained period, and on top of that, you start starving them to death and then, instead of letting food distribution in from the actual organizations that are experienced in it and actually want to feed the people, you create some new entity that you control – American military contractors that are, for profit, doing the bidding of the IDF, purposely set up so that it barely gives out any food and then it's a death trap – so, you lure starving people in there and you murder them and massacre them regularly, daily… That is a new kind of evil. 

When you’re starving people to death and then saying, “Hey, here are some grains of flour, come here and get them,” and murdering them when they do, when you purposely set up the centers so they barely stay open for more than 15 minutes. People get noticed right before, and they have to trek miles, very dangerously, to get there. They're not allowed to stay there, waiting for the next time to open. They have to go back, and they're killed on the way there. So, they're faced with this Sophie's choice of either having to stay at home and watch their kids starve to death or knowing they risk their lives and their teenage son's lives to go there and try to get food, knowing that a lot of them are going to be murdered, that is a sick new kind of evil. 

And because of how ubiquitous cell phones are, we have to watch it, and we know it's been streamed live every day, throughout the world. We've all seen just the absolute most sickening, hideous human suffering imaginable, a level of sadism that's almost hard to fathom that people are capable of. And while some Israelis are protesting some more now about the end of this war, for the most part, the view of the Israelis has been, I don't care how many civilians we kill, I don't care how many babies are killed. The babies are terrorists. They'll grow up to be Hamas, so I don't care to kill them. 

These are evils that are difficult to endure, even if your work is journalism, even if you look at some of the most horrible things people are doing, you still have to report on them. Even for that, I mean, it's hard to fathom and express, and I know so many people, and I just thought about myself including in this, that you feel so impotent, so your rage is so purposeless, even though it's all-consuming, because the Trump administration doesn't care. It's filled with Israel fanatics, and it's going to support Israel until the very last Gazan is killed. Can you give them all the weapons, all the money, all the diplomatic cover? 

And then of course, the Israelis themselves are so deranged and fanatical that they don't care either. And short of having the world go in and militarily intervene against Israel or arming Hamas, which is not going to happen, there's not a lot you can do. There definitely has been serious measurable changes for the better in how Americans now look at Israel and look at the Israeli action in Gaza, how they look at American funding of Israel. That's not going away. That's a big, big problem for Israel. 

Once you open your eyes to that, you can't unsee it. And you have a lot of people, as we talked about in that first question, fueling it constantly. I hope I'm one of them. I certainly do what I can to do that. But that doesn't mean that any of that is going to stop this war. 

Even in Europe, and I really despise the Western European political elite and media class, they're utterly supportive of Israel. They are loyal to Israel, they arm Israel, fund them, not as much as the United States, but to a great degree. A lot of those historical reasons, guilt over World War II, which Israel expertly exploits – not that it's difficult to exploit the guilt and psychological fragility of Western Europeans, but they do a great job of it. 

So, you're starting to see things like Macron comes out and recognize a Palestinian state, not unimportant, but still a symbolic step. Keir Starmer, he's probably the most despicable politician from a character perspective, an utterly empty, vapid belief-free politician – he's despised in his own country, despised. – He didn't even go that far. He said, “We are going to recognize a Palestinian state unless Israel starts letting food in.” So, Palestinian statehood is not something they're entitled to. It's like a threat that you make to Israel that you're going to give them if the Israelis don't let food in. You see the Germans, who are always the worst for obvious psychological and historical reasons when it comes to standing up to Israel, sort of saying now, “We're going to cut off arms.” 

We'll see how long any of that lasts. The one group of people you do not want to put your faith and trust in to stand for a cause, to hold firm on beliefs, or convictions and values is Western European political elites. They're pathetic. Pathetic. Obviously, there are some exceptions, but as a class, they're nauseating and pathetic. 

I used to think the British elite class was the worst elite class on the planet. While I still think they are definitely in the running, I'm starting to actually think the Germans are more psychologically warped and sickening. I mean, the Germans were also fanatics about the war in Ukraine – fanatics. You put Germans in power, and they don't think about anything other than going to war with Russia. It's really a bizarre repetitive pattern. 

So, I don't want to pretend that there's some quick solution. I do give as much money as I can to them, you can find Palestinian aid and Gaza aid organizations. There's no shortage of verified GoFundMe accounts from people in Gaza telling their stories. And obviously you have to be a little careful not to give to fraudulent ones, but there are easy ways to verify those. Look for trustworthy people on Twitter who vouch for them, things like that. You can donate to that. Even like $50 at a time, whatever you're capable of, $10, $15. Everything is so high-priced in Gaza that sometimes even if they have food available, they can’t afford it. And I think it's also a good way of showing the people in Gaza that the world actually cares about their plight. 

Earlier today, I talked about how Marjorie Taylor Greene has become very outspoken about refusing to serve the agenda of AIPAC and that AIPAC is now on the march against her. They're going to do what they've done to all sorts of politicians which they are now doing to Thomas Massie as well: try to find some fraudulent, politician who lives in their district, who seems demographically appealing to that district, who has the same politics, except they're going to know that AIPAC paid for their political career, paid for the seat in Congress, and they're going to be supremely loyal. 

One of the worst examples – I mean, I can barely look at this person because of how pathetic and sad it is to watch him. They wanted to get Cori Bush out of Congress. If you're conservative and you dislike Cori Bush, AIPAC doesn't dislike her for any of the reasons that you dislike her. They only care about the fact that she's raised questions like, “Why are we sending so much money to Israel when my whole district is filled with people financially struggling, who don't have healthcare, don't have access to education, have no public safety?” Why are we giving all this money to Israel? Why is AIPAC forcing us to do that?” And they were so determined to take Cori Bush out because of her Israel questioning that they found some utterly craven Black politician, nice liberal, nice Democrat, of course. You have to get a liberal, you have to be a Democrat, and probably have to be a Black politician. His name is Wesley Bell, and they paid $15 million – 15,000 million –for one Democratic primary seat in Congress in St. Louis, to replace Cori Bush with somebody exactly like her, except that he's an AIPAC loyalist. And you can just see him on social media and in speeches, standing up for Israel. You know exactly why $15 million was his price tag, and he knows if he wants to keep that seat, he's going to need AIPAC doing the same. And they're going to try to do the same with Thomas Massie. They're going to try to do the same with Marjorie Taylor Greene. 

They're not always successful. They've tried it many times with Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, even, to a smaller extent, AOC. They made some inroads, but for the most part, Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar are too popular in their Democratic primaries and their Democratic constituencies for that to work. 

In 2022, Ilhan Omar almost lost the Democratic primary. I think she won by a few points. So, she's not invulnerable. They never quite spent the money on her that they spent on people like Cori Bush or Jamaal Bowman. But they have a long history of doing this. And they're clearly doing it to Thomas Massie. If you look at the three top billionaires donating to AIPAC to remove Thomas Massie, they're all Jewish billionaires who are extremely loyal to Israel. 

That's the whole point of this effort that Donald Trump supports. One thing you can do is just look at who AIPAC is trying to remove from Congress and just donate to whoever they want to take out of Congress as a way to thwart them because even if you're a conservative and you see them doing it to some left-wing member of Congress that you don't like, it's not like the person they're going to replace that person with is going to be any more appealing to you. There's no difference, except that that person is going to be bought and paid to be an AIPAC agent, who is going to be devoted to Israel and never question Israel. That's the only difference. 

AIPAC's not taking Cori Bush out of Congress or Jamaal Bowman because they're too left-wing. The only thing they care about is if the person is devoted to Israel. The same with Tom Massie and Marjorie Taylor Greene. If they're going to take out members of Congress as punishment for not being loyal enough to Israel, donate to the people they're trying to remove on both sides. If you're on the left, you're not going to agree with Marjorie Taylor Greene or Thomas Massie, obviously. But the people who are going to come in their place are not going to agree with you politically anymore. The only difference will be that those people will be fanatical Israel supporters, like many in the Republican Party, instead of being among the few to question them. So, that is another way I think you could work. 

I know this is thankless work. There's no immediate gratification, but it does work. Public opinion changes. It really does. And especially with independent media with a free internet, with the deconcentrating of power over the discourse no longer in the hands of a few tiny number of gigantic media corporations controlled by people who are all the same basic political outlook, with the same interests, but now huge gigantic people with big audiences who influence a lot of people completely removed from those circles and that dogma. That is also a big reason for optimism. And if you see the polling change in a pretty substantial way as you do on the Israel question and the Gaza question, keep contributing to that. You don't have to have a gigantic platform. 

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Last question, this is from @coldhotdog:

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All right. The U.S. is sanctioning Brazil, Brazilian officials, and also imposing tariffs on them, not for the reason that Trump has been imposing tariffs on other countries, mainly because he thinks there's unfair trading practices causing a trade deficit. The opposite is true. The United States has a significant trade surplus with Brazil. There's not a trade deficit. So, the tariffs are more – and it was kind of explicit – used as punishment against Brazil for their violation of free speech, their violation to due process, their persecution of political opponents. And obviously, that is not the U.S.'s real goal. 

I wrote an article about this in Folha, where I do reporting, and I'm a columnist in Brazil. And it basically said, Okay, I hope no one takes seriously when the U.S. government says we're upset about the infringements on free speech or the erosions of democracy. It was like a month before Trump announced sanctions on Brazil and tariffs on Brazil, that he went to the Persian Gulf region and heaped praise on Mohammed bin Salman and the leaders of Qatar and the United Arab Emirates, heralded them, hugged them, and not for the first time. While I think Brazil is very repressive and I think Moraes is an absolute tyrant, it's in a completely different universe than what happens in Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, and Qatar. It's not even close. 

So, any country that's heaping praise on and embracing, hugging and propping up the governments of Saudi Arabia, the Emirates and Qatar, or the Egyptians, or the Jordanians, of the Bahrainis or whomever, the Philippines, Indonesia, obviously, is not a country that cares about repression inside other countries. Obviously.

The United States doesn't go around the world fighting wars or intervening in other countries because they care about repression. That's the pretext. They love dictators as long as dictators are pro-American. They only have a problem with dictatorial regimes if they defy America, like Cuba or Venezuela, Iran, Russia, China, and then you hear “Oh my god, we're the United States, we go and fight for democracies. That is why we have to protect Ukraine.” Even though, arguably, Ukraine has become as repressive as Russia. So, whatever drives the United States, it's not a love for democracy, it is not a contempt for an erosion of liberty, it is not a defense of free speech, obviously, I hope there's no one in my audience who believes that. So, when Trump says, “Oh, we're punishing Brazil because it's become repressive, it’s attacked the free speech,” it's obviously not the reason. 

Then the question that our Locals member is raising, which is a good one.

I don't support the U.S. embargo of Cuba which is now 65 years old. The idea of that was that we're going to change the government of Cuba and free the Cuban people. Obviously, it has not done that. The only thing it's done is make life in Cuba utterly miserable for the population. Same with Venezuela. Same with the sanctions on Iran. So, I don't think that's the role of the United States to go try to change other governments, even if they're pretending, they're changing them out of concern about their oppression when obviously that's not the real reason. 

The reason is they want to replace it with a regime that's more compliant to the United States. And obviously I don't think Trump is intervening in Brazil with punishments and the like because he's concerned in the abstract about free speech. I mean, aside from all the dictatorial regimes we embrace, there's also the attacks on free speech in the United States, which we've gone over many times, including last night, that the Trump administration is spearheading, that the Biden administration before that spearheaded. 

So, the question then becomes, well, what is the real reason? And I want to say, while I view Alexandre de Moraes as a serious menace, as one of the most tyrannically minded people on the planet, even if he's not, say, as powerful or dictatorial as Mohammed bin Salman, just because Brazil is not that kind of society that permits that level of overt, absolute, autocratic tyranny, the way a lot of other countries do that we support prop up, I do think he's a genuine evil figure. Obviously, one of the reasons I talk about it is because I live here. My family is Brazilian. My kids are Brazilian. So, it's something I care about for that reason. And of course, I think the reason why Trump is doing it is because it's not actually a left-wing government in Brazil. Lula is the president. And he was a leftist in his earlier life. He was a labor leader, but he ran for president three times as a leftist, lost. And then finally, in 2002, he was sick of losing. And he wrote this famous letter called Letter to the Brazilian People, where he basically said, “I understand that if I want to be president, I have to moderate. I have to get along with financial centers. This is important for prosperity.” He basically promised not to be a fallaway left-wing dogma to be much more moderate. And then to prove it, he chose a billionaire banker as his vice president, to make clear to financial markets, banks, big corporations inside Brazil that he wasn't going to be a threat. 

They're not leftist at all. But I'm sure in Trump's mind, in the eyes of Marco Rubio, the people who are influencing Trump, he sees a little like basically a communist regime, like a left-wing regime, like from the Cold War, even though it's not remotely that. And I'm not suggesting they're conservative or right-wing. They're not. But they're not communists or even socialists. And part of what Trump's doing is he just looks at Lula and the Brazilian government as an enemy and is convinced, okay, they're our enemy. Let's punish them. If I had to find a justification – I'm not saying I support it, I'm not saying I justify it – but if I had to find a justification, I would say that the real only justification for any of this is the fact that Moraes and the Supreme Court have been now targeting not just America's social media companies. 

So, this is reaching into the United States threatening the free speech rights of American citizens or people legally residing in the United States, attacking and threatening and trying to bully American social media companies. And that is, I believe, an invasion of American sovereignty and an attack on the rights of American citizens. I do think the government, the U.S. government, is duty-bound to draw a very firm line and say, “No, you're not going to cross that line. And if you cross that, we're going to take action against you.” That's the only justification I can think of. 

So, I'm not defending the Magnitsky Act sanctions against Moraes, or even the punitive tariffs against Brazil. I've basically been arguing that if there's anyone who truly is tyrannical in his mindset, who's just absolutely, like, mentally unstable and just an authoritarian tyrant with no limits at all, who's been just vindictive and drunk on his power, it is Alexandre de Moraes. And I do think there's this one justification for the U.S. to cite, to justify taking retaliatory and retributive action against Brazil. 

Obviously, Trump likes Bolsonaro. He strongly identifies with any claims that a politician is being victimized by politicized lawfare because Trump believes as do I, that he himself was the victim of that and he sees when he looks at Bolsonaro a very similar thing happening to Bolsonaro, and I think he feels personally angry by that. So, I think there's some complex motives as well, but other than what I just articulated, I'm not defending the U.S.’s use of sanctions, the exploitation of the dollars in reserve currency to punish the economies of other countries because we don't like what they're doing internally. It's all obviously a fraud and a pretext to say, we're doing it because we care about free speech or due process or whatever. But I think there is a foundation to it, not a very strong one, but a foundation to it that I do think is legitimate. And you know what? I guess, just looking at it from a less principled perspective, I do think Alexandre de Moraes is a completely out-of-control monster. And everyone in Brazil is too scared to stand up to him or too supportive of the fact that he's imprisoning and exiling and silencing Bolsonaro supporters, that there is nobody in Brazil that's capable of stopping him or willing to do so. And the only thing that has really undermined and disrupted him is what Trump just did and now is threatening to do even more with even more invasive sanctions against his wife, against other officials in Brazil. And that is something they have to take very seriously and are taking very seriously. And it's the first time there's been real limits put on it. 

So, from a very kind of instrumentalized, results-based perspective, I confess that I'm happy about where that is leading, even if I do have genuine, really real concerns about the use of American arms and weaponry to do this.

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The Pro-Israel Meltdown Over Mahmoud Khalil's NYT Interview: When is Violence Inevitable?; Why is FIRE Suing Marco Rubio: With 1A Lawyer Conor Fitzpatrick
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The case of Mahmoud Khalil made national headlines – even international headlines – because he was the very first student who was snatched either off the street or out of his apartment by ICE agents under the Trump administration's brand new policy of expelling Israel critics, who they deem supportive of Hamas, which is basically anyone who criticizes Israel whether they're PhD students on green cards or anything else. 

On June 20, a federal judge ordered Khalil, who is a green card holder, released from ICE detention facilities pending the deportation proceedings on the grounds that he had never been arrested, let alone convicted of anything, and presents no threat to anyone or to the public in general. That release has enabled Khalil to make rounds giving interviews to various outlets, and he gave one last week to the New York Times' columnist and podcast host, Ezra Klein. One excerpt of Khalil's interview went viral, largely due to Israel supporters, of course, who claimed he was apologizing for, if not actively supporting, Hamas's October 7 attack on Israel. We'll examine his comments to see if he did say that, but also to examine the important questions raised about who has the right to use violence and when, who is a terrorist or who is a freedom fighter, and whether anything Khalil said remotely poses a danger to the United States. 

Our guest was Conor Fitzpatrick, a lawyer from FIRE.org, the free speech group the ACLU once was: a group of lawyers and activists passionately devoted to defending free speech against any and all attacks on it, regardless of whether the censorship target is on the right, the left, or anything in between. FIRE announced this week that it was suing Marco Rubio and the U.S. State Department under the First Amendment, arguing that the government has the right to deport foreign nationals, but not to do so as punishment for their political expression. 

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We have covered the case of Mahmoud Khalil many times on this show. He was the sort of test case, the canary in the coal mine, showing that the Trump administration intended not to deport all foreign students or most foreign students or just foreign students who expressed a political opinion and engaged in political activism. That's not the Trump Administration's policy at all. They don't even have a policy of deporting foreign students on U.S. soil for criticizing the United States. What they do have is a policy of deporting foreign students in the United States or at American universities who criticize Israel or protest against that foreign country. 

Mahmoud Khalil was detained in his apartment, where he lives with his American wife. She was eight months pregnant; their newborn infant was born. And she's an American citizen. His newborn infant is an American Citizen. And he's a green card on the path to American citizenship. 

Since then, there have been many other cases of students being snatched off the street by plainclothes ICE agents and unmarked cars, including a Tufts PhD student, Rumeysa Ozturk, who the Trump administration admits, did nothing other than co-author an op-ed in the Tuft's student newspaper, where she called on the administration, along with three other students who were co-authors, to implement the student Senate's decision that the administration should divest from Israel. That's all she did. Nothing against Jews, nothing in favor of Hamas, any of that. She just criticized Israel and urged divestment because the student senate had voted for it. It was essentially saying abide. She, too, was snatched off the street, put in ICE detention, and now has been released. And there have been many other cases since. 

In the case of Mahmoud Khalil, the federal court said you can continue the deportation proceeding, but there's no basis or justification for keeping him in a detention prison while all of this proceeds. If you win the deportation process, you can obviously deport him, but there's no reason why he should rot in jail rather than being at home with his wife and child while this process proceeds, because he's never done anything remotely to suggest that he's a threat to anybody. He was never arrested as part of the student protest or any other time in his life, never convicted of a crime, never the subject of a complaint with the police. 

And so, he's now out and he's giving interviews, as is his right. He's given several interviews. One of them was for The New York Times columnist and podcast host, Ezra Klein

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