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What Real “Democracy Interference" Looks Like: US in Pakistan, Niger, & Ukraine, w/ Darren Beattie. Plus: Twitter Compelled to Hand Over Trump Records
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August 11, 2023
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Good evening. It's Wednesday, August 9.  Welcome to a new episode of System Update, our live nightly show that airs every Monday through Friday, at 7 p.m. Eastern, exclusively here on Rumble, the free speech alternative to YouTube.

Tonight. Starting in 2016, we were subjected to incessant cries from American political and media elites about the evils of Russian interference in our sacred democracy. By interference, they meant the purchase of some Facebook ads, some Twitter bots, and an alleged hacking operation aimed at John Podesta and the DNC, which resulted in the disclosure of true and revealing information about leading presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. These same people have never really stopped petulantly complaining about Russian interference. It is at least a non-trivial factor – if not the major factor – and why so many self-identified liberal Democrats support the U.S. proxy war against Ukraine as vengeance against the country they blame for Hillary's defeat in Trump's victory in 2016. There were always so many pitiful aspects to this petulance, chief among them the fact that the U.S. not only has long a long history of “interfering in the internal affairs of most other countries using means far more aggressive and disruptive than some social media bots but doing exactly that against Russia itself. 

Indeed, the U.S. State Department openly funded anti-Putin opposition groups under Hillary Clinton's reign at the State Department during the Obama administration and while many people will gradually acknowledge – if they're forced to do that – the CIA has in the distant past engaged in some fairly nasty coups and other destabilization campaigns, they do so only to imply that all of that unpleasant business is a thing of the past back in the 1950s and 1960s, before we learned our lesson about such things. The absurdity of these claims has been yet again proven by two events just this week. The Intercept today, in a great piece of reporting from two of my colleagues at The Intercept, of whom I've always been proud, Ryan Grim and Murtaza Hussain, divulged a secret State Department cable proving what U.S. officials have long publicly denied, namely, that the U.S. security state pressured their counterparts in Pakistani intelligence and military to get rid of the nation's most popular politician, Imran Khan, elected in 2018, to be his nation's prime minister. 

The U.S. was enraged, in 2022, that Prime Minister Khan declared Pakistan's neutrality in the war in Ukraine and was even visiting Russia shortly before the invasion for a long-planned visit. As they so often do – but these days, not always – U.S. officials got their wish in Pakistan. Khan, on April 20, 2022, less than a month after the State Department meeting that this document revealed demanding his removal – he was removed – from power by virtue of a middle-of-the-night no-confidence vote. And then he was charged and convicted on dubious corruption charges, resulting in a prison term of three years and his being banned from running again. Sounds familiar? 

Meanwhile, Victoria Nuland was recently promoted by the Biden administration to the lofty new position of deputy Secretary of State – congratulations to Victoria Nuland for being promoted yet again – visited the Western African country of Niger this week. This time the U.S. was not on the side of a coup, but rather feigning support for democracy, Nuland demanded – and she demanded – that Niger reinstate the overthrown president, who has long been viewed by the U.S. as an ally and partner. And she threatened that country with all sorts of reprisals if they failed to obey her orders about who should run that country. U.S. allies and U.S. trained coalitions in Africa threatened to invade Nigeria, which would mean a full-scale civil and regional war, especially since its neighbors, who also recently underwent coups, including Mali and Burkina Faso, have vowed to fight for the new military government in Niger in the event that the U.S. allies in Africa invaded and tried to reinstate the old government Victoria Nuland is demanding to be reinstated. 

Even American allies, longstanding U.S. trading partners in Niger, were extremely defiant when Nuland visited, refusing to let her even meet with the country's new military leaders and making clear that their sovereignty is not for sale. Nuland, of course, the same person who, in 2014, as part of the Obama State Department, got caught in a secret tape recording plotting with the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine over who should be installed as that nation's president once the U.S. succeeded in financing the removal of Ukraine's democratically elected president whom they had judged to be too close to Moscow. Nuland is also the same person who was Dick Cheney's chief advisor in 2002-2003 and helped him advocate and plan the invasion of Iraq. 

That Nuland is constantly promoted by presidents of both parties, except when Donald Trump was in office when she disappears, illustrates how much of our premium is placed in Washington and its national security state on changing other nations' governments and interfering in their internal politics with a lot more than some Twitter bots. We'll examine these new powerful revelations about both Pakistan and Niger. 

We'll speak with former Trump speechwriter and current investigative journalist Darren Beattie of Revolver News, who just recently interviewed Imran Khan about the U.S. role in his removal from power and his subsequent criminal conviction. 

It's worth remembering that. in 2016, Donald Trump explicitly campaigned on ending exactly these sorts of foreign interference operations, and he won the Republican nomination and then the general election. And that vow was a major reason the U.S. security state and its neocon supporters despised Trump and vowed to destroy his presidency. It is worth taking these opportunities to reflect on what real interference in other countries' democracies actually looks like it was doing and for what reasons. 

Then: newly discovered documents reveal that prosecutors working for special counsel Jack Smith issued a subpoena to Twitter, in 2022, demanding that the social media company turned over Donald Trump's private communications undertaken on that platform. Twitter resisted the subpoena to the point that it got fined by the judge for doing so. And this is the amazing part: not only was Twitter ordered by a federal court to turn over Trump's communications, but they were also banned by the court order at the request of Smith's prosecutorial team to even let Trump know of the existence of the subpoena that would have allowed Trump the opportunity to argue that the attempt to obtain his private communications was either legally invalid or unconstitutional. We'll examine this common yet repressive practice of the U.S. security state using powers enacted during the Patriot Act and after 9/11 to obtain Americans' private communications without their even knowing about it, and how that practice found expression in this particular criminal investigation to try to render Trump a felon and ultimately ineligible to be elected president. 

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The United States, over the past 50 years, has fought more wars than any other country by far. In order to sell that many wars to its population and the world, one must deploy potent war propaganda, and the U.S. undoubtedly possess that.

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