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Carlson-Shapiro Rift on Israel Exposes the Right’s Long-Standing Israel Divisions. Kafkaesque New Social Media Bans. PLUS: Matt Stoller on Boeing’s Safety Fiasco & Corporate Greed [Part 1 of 3]
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January 11, 2024
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Good evening. It's Tuesday, January 9. Tonight: one of the most significant rifts in conservative politics has been emerging over the last three months, ever since the October 7 Hamas attack on Israel and the Biden administration's immediate request for another $14 billion for having to have the United States finance Israel's new war in Gaza. But that rift turned into a major explosion last week, when one of the most influential figures in conservative media, Tucker Carlson, launched some extremely vitriolic critiques against Ben Shapiro and, more broadly, the pro-American sector of the American right. 

Carlson had previously expressed the substance of his critiques over the last several months, including in an interview on this program in December. His two principal points have been: 1) It is a direct and glaring violation of the so-called America First ideology to demand that American taxpayers fund the Israeli military and fund Israel's wars, especially considering that millions of Israelis have higher standards of living than millions of American citizens do, and 2) much of the American right, ever since October 7, has completely abandoned its claimed belief in free speech in order not just to defend, but to demand a wide array of attacks on the free speech rights of Americans who are critical of Israel, in other words, demanding the erosion of the rights of American citizens to shield this foreign country from critique.  

Other influential right-wing figures beyond Carlson have recently voiced similar critiques about the Biden administration's unflinching support for Israel, including some who did so on our program. Republican Congressman Thomas Massie of Kentucky, for example, explained how he is now the target of a very aggressive effort by AIPAC, the American Israel Political Action Committee, to recruit and fund a primary challenger against him to punish him for opposing Biden's $14 billion request for Israel; GOP presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy, who also told us he opposes that request, as well as recent conservative efforts to silence and demand the firing of various Israel critics, and the Daily Wire host Candace Owens, who exchanged incredibly vitriolic insults with her Daily Wire colleague Ben Shapiro over the latter's fanatical support for Israel. And there have been many other examples as well.

But what rendered Carlson's most recent comments, speaking to “Breaking Points” host, Saagar Enjeti, a new frontier in this rift is that Carlson waded directly into a claim that, despite being clearly true for many Israel supporters, is also one of the most rigidly enforced taboos in American discourse. The former Fox host strongly implied, if not outright stated, that what motivates Shapiro's obsessive fixation on Israel and his relentless demands that the United States—American citizens—fund and support that country, is not his view that such policies are best for the United States, but rather his view that such policies are best for Israel, the country to which, according to Carlson, Shapiro maintains his highest allegiance. 

For these comments. Carlson—needless to say—was instantly condemned as being a bigot and a racist, not, this time, by Media Matters or Brooklyn-based digital media outlets, but by some of the Republican Party's staunchest supporters of Israel. This event did receive some attention, but not nearly as much as it deserved, given the multipronged significance of this long overdue debate on U.S. policy toward Israel within right-wing politics, especially given the new political orthodoxies of the Trump-era conservative movement. 

Over the weekend, I published a rather lengthy article on our Locals platform regarding the implications of these disputes that have surfaced within conservative politics as a result of Carlson's accusations against Shapiro and his most fanatical pro-Israel allies. These issues have, of course, been a major topic of our reporting and commentary on this program since October 7, but the ability to gather it all together in one place, take a few steps back and reflect on it, and then express it in written journalism was both cathartic and, I hope, for my readers, illuminating. 

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As I've been saying for some time, I've been wanting to return to my regular written journalism, which has always been the anchor of the work I do. The idea in coming here was to do this show nightly on the Rumble platform, and then publish our journalism on the Locals platform, but doing that has been difficult for me over the last year, both because of the time constraints of producing this nightly show at a quality level we feel comfortable with presenting, as well as the personal struggles our family has faced over the last 18 months. 

So, I resolved that, in 2024, I would finally start writing more. And perhaps the excitement of rediscovering that passion for my writing—as well as my very passionate views about this topic— caused an outpouring of a lot of energy. The primary challenge over the last week in working on this article was how to reduce it to a manageable length. With the help of our great editorial team here, I was able to do that, and I really hope that those of you who haven't read it yet will. But I nonetheless wanted to take a few minutes to highlight some of what I regard as the most important and overlooked aspects of how we arrived at where we are, where the United States, virtually alone in the world, has no space to criticize Israel, how no issue unites the establishment wings of both parties in Washington more than mindless and unlimited support for this foreign government, even when, as now, it requires the United States to incur very substantial costs. Costs that we incur both as a nation and as a citizenry. Most of all, I want to continue to do what I can to encourage some sort of reckoning with the principles of conservative politics that most of its leaders and adherents profess, and the necessary abandonment of those principles to justify everything that is happening in the United States when it comes to the topic of Israel and its war in Gaza.

Right before this show began, just minutes before, it was breaking news about an announcement by Florida governor and presidential candidate Ron DeSantis that perfectly illustrates and relates to the point we wanted to cover on tonight's show, where DeSantis announced how, in his own words, he is implementing a program that makes it easier specifically for Jewish students in the United States, to transfer to Florida state schools and to receive a variety of benefits as a result of that transfer. Not the first time that Governor DeSantis has advocated group-based rights of the kind that he typically says he opposes when it comes to other groups. So, we're going to cover that just-breaking story as well. 

Then: over the last 24 hours, almost a dozen journalists, pundits and commentators were banned from Twitter, from X, with no explanation of any kind. Their accounts just simply disappeared. The only thing they had in common: they had been outspoken critics of the Israeli war in Gaza, and scathing critics of the billionaire hedge fund manager Bill Ackman. 

Today, after a lot of uproar about this, Elon Musk, to his credit, responded to critics of these bans, including myself, with a vow to investigate what happened and then all of those accounts were quickly reinstated. But this episode, along with our recent experience at TikTok that we told you about where our show account was banned without warning or explanation in December, only then to be quietly reinstated after public protests after several weeks, illustrates how Kafkaesque Big Tech decision-making over our discourse has become. 

The issue is not merely the repressive nature of having the boundaries of our political debates severely limited by often unseen corporate executives or automated systems—that's obviously a concern of ours, one we've covered a lot—but it's also the complete lack of due process and appeal available for those whose ability to participate in public discourse is zapped out of existence overnight, often in the most arbitrary ways. We'll examine these events today at X and the one at TikTok, as well as the ongoing banning on TikTok of the popular YouTube commentator Jimmy Dore, also with that explanation, to illustrate this highly consequential problem with Big Tech censorship on our political speech. 

And then finally: a really harrowing and almost fatal episode involving a Boeing 737 at Alaska Airlines has shined considerable light on this corporate giant on whose board—let us remember—Nikki Haley so lucrative sat after leaving the Trump administration. Many of Boeing's troubles are the byproduct of the standard and most definitely bipartisan revolving door politics of the D.C. swamp. Industry executives are appointed to the government positions overseeing that industry, get very permissive and then leave government and are highly rewarded when they return for services rendered. But much of it is the byproduct of the kind of mega-mergers that have increasingly destroyed competition for the American consumer, most often appearing within Big Tech but also in other industries as well. We will speak to one of the country's most informed and interesting antitrust analysts, a friend of the show, Matt Stoller, who has written a book on this and works for a leading think tank about all of these events, as well as some of the latest antitrust proceedings that may finally pose serious dangers to both Google and Microsoft to understand these sometimes obscure yet highly impactful proceedings. 

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I was involved in a debate on January 6th, which was Saturday night that I originally had planned to attend in person in Austin, Texas, and for logistical reasons, the second was unable to. So I participated remotely by video. And on the side of the debate, which was about January 6th, was my align with myself, Alex Jones and the former Trump speechwriter and Duke University professor of political science Darren Beattie. And on the other side was the, YouTuber Destiny, as well as the 2000 Stein twins. And I have to say, I didn't know what to expect from them, the 2009 twins, but they actually performed at a higher level of substance than I had anticipated. I thought actually they did the best job on their side of the debate, but the debate got quite contentious at various points. It was a very long three hour debate, so we prepared the highlights of the debate. The 20 or 25 most important minutes of the exchanges, we thought were most interesting, that we published as a separate video on our platform, which we hope you will take a look at.

For now, welcome to a new episode of System Update, starting right now. 

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RE: Charlie Kirk ... I appreciated Glenn's comments tonight. It reminded me of the Clint Eastwood quote from Unforgiven: "Its a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away everything he's got and everything he's ever gonna have."
That thing "he's gonna have" might be a change of mind about something you disagreed with him about. I just thought it was important that Glenn emphasized the point that we are all much more than our opinion about any one particular issue and even our opinion on that issue will often change over time.

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Hopefully, we all evolve as we get older. Not always the case, and possible proof that if one has a brand based on those beliefs is why some do not allow themselves to evolve publicly. Charlie, if he chose to, will not have that chance to evolve.

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Thank you, Glenn. Thank you for your commentary on this murder and the massacre-murders of those in Gaza. I recognize Kirk supported the genocide in Gaza, as did some of those cheering his death. No self reflection from these ppl. Doesn’t support their brand(s), and their acceptance of money from AIPAC in certain situations.

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There've been a lot of revelations over the last 25 years, since the 9/11 attack, of all sorts of secretive programs that were implemented in the dark that many people I think correctly view as un-American in the sense that they run a foul and constitute a direct assault on the rights, protections and guarantees that we all think define what it means to be an American. And a lot of that happened. In fact, much of it, one could say most of it, happened because of the fears and emotions that were generated quite predictably by the 9/11 attack in 2001 and also the anthrax attack, which followed along just about a month later, six weeks later. We've done an entire show on it because of its importance in escalating the fear level in the United States in the wake of 9/11, even though it's extremely mysterious – the whole thing, how it happened, how it was resolved. But the point is that the fear levels increased, the anger increased, the sadness over the victims increased and into that breach, into that highly emotional state, stepped both the government and their partners in the media, which essentially included all major media outlets at the time, to tell people they essentially have to give up their rights if they want to be safe from future terrorist attacks. 

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We are going to devote the show tonight to more questions that have come from our Locals members over the week. It continues to be some really interesting ones, raising all sorts of topics. 

We do have a question that we want to begin with that deals with what I think is the at least most discussed and talked about story of the day, if not the most important one, which is the school shooting that took place in a Catholic church in Minneapolis earlier today when a former student who attended that school went to the church, opened fire and shot 19 people, two of whom, young students between eight and ten, were killed. The other 17 were wounded, and amazingly, it’s expected that all of them are to survive. The carnage could have been much worse; the tragedy is manifest, however, and there is a lot of, as always, political commentary surrounding the mass shooting attempts to identify the ideology of the shooter in a way that is designed to promote a lot of people's political agenda. So, let's get to the first question.

 It is from @ZellFive, who's a member of our Locals community. He offers this question, but also a viewpoint that I think really ought to be considered by a lot more people. They write:

 

So, I'm really glad that this is one of the questions that we got today because this is a point I've been arguing for so long. So, let me just try to give you as many facts as I possibly can, facts that seem to be confirmed by law rather than just circulating on the internet. 

So, the suspected killer is somebody named Robin Westman, who is 23 years old. After they shot 19 people inside this church, killing two young children, they then committed suicide with a weapon. The person's birth name is Robert Westman, and around 16 or 17 years old, he decided that he identified as a woman, went to court, changed the legal name from Robert to Robin, and began identifying as a trans woman, so that obviously is going to provoke a lot of commentary, and there's been a lot of commentary provoked around that. We will definitely get to that. 

 

The suspected killer also left a very lengthy manifesto, a written manifesto which they filmed and uploaded on a video to YouTube, along with showing a huge arsenal of guns, including rifles and pistols and some automatic weapons. I believe various automatic rifles as well. I don't think they used any of those weapons at school. I believe they just used a rifle and a pistol, if I'm not mistaken. But we'll see about that. 

It was essentially a manifesto both in written terms, but then they also wrote various slogans on each of these weapons and various parts of the weapons. And we're going to go over a lot of what they put there because there's an obvious and instantaneous attempt, as there always is, to instantly exploit any of these shootings before the corpses are even removed from the ground. And I mean that literally. The effort already begins to inject partisan agenda, partisan ideology, ideological agendas to immediately try to depict the shooter as being representative of whatever faction the person offering this theory most hates or to claim that they're motivated by or an adherent of whatever ideology the person offering the theory most hates. And it happens in every single case. 

Oftentimes, there's an immediate attempt to squeeze some unrelated or perhaps even related agenda in and out of it instantly. Liberals almost always insist that whenever there's a mass shooting, it proves the need for a greater gun control without bothering to demonstrate whether the gun control they favor would have actually stopped the person from acquiring these weapons in the first place, whether they were legally acquired, whether they could have been legally acquired, even with gun control measures, it doesn't matter, instantaneously exploiting the emotions surrounding a shooting like this to try to increase support for gun control. Whereas people on the right often do the opposite. 

On the right, they typically will argue that more guns would have enabled somebody to neutralize the shooter more rapidly, that perhaps churches and schools need greater security. We need more police. So, there's that kind of an almost automatic and reflexive exploitation again, almost before anything is known, but there is an even more pernicious attempt to instantly declare that everyone knows the motives of the shooter, that they know the political outlook and perspective of the shooter. They know their partisan ideology and their ideological beliefs in an attempt to demonize whatever group a person hates most. 

This is unbelievably ignorant, deceitful and ill-advised for so many reasons. The first of which is that every single political action, every single ideological movement, produces evil mass shooters. For every far-leftist mass shooter that you want to show or white supremacist mass shooters that you want to show, you can show people who have murdered in defense of all kinds of causes. And so even if you can pinpoint the ideology of the shooter on the same day the shooting happened, I mean, you can develop a clear, reliable, concise and specific understanding of the shooter that you never even heard of until four hours ago, but you're so insightful, your investigative skills are so profound, that you're able to discern exactly what the motive of this person was in doing something so intrinsically insane and evil as shooting up a church filled with young school children. 

The idea that anyone can do that is preposterous on its face. I mean, the police always say, because they're actual investigators, actual law enforcement officers who want to collect evidence that stands up for public scrutiny and also in court, “We don't know yet what the motive is; we're collecting clues.” But almost nobody on Twitter or social media or in the commentariat is willing to say that. Everybody insists immediately, no, the killer was motivated by the other party, the opposite party of the one I'm a member of, or this ideology that's not mine, or in this religion that is the one I like the most to demonize. It's just so transparent and so blatant what is being done here. And yet it's so prevalent. 

I mean, you could go on to social media and principally the social media platform where the most journalists and political pundits, influencers and the like congregate, which is X, and I could show you probably 40 different theories offered definitively with an authoritative voice. Not like, hey, this might be possibly the case, but saying clearly, we know that the killer was motivated by this particular ideology, this particular set of beliefs. And I'm not talking about random X users, I'm talking about people with significant platforms, people who are well-known. 

I could probably show you 40 different theories like that, where every person is purporting to know definitively exactly what the motive of the shooter was and by huge coincidence they all have latched on to whatever ideology or faction or motive most serves their own political worldview to demonize the people with whom they most disagree, or whatever ideology or group of people they most hate. That's always what is done. And I guess in some cases, if a shooter leaves a particularly clear and coherent manifesto, and we have had those sometimes, we have had Anders Breivik in Norway, who made it very clear that his motive was hatred for Muslim immigrants who shot up a summer camp in Norway. We had the Christchurch, New Zealand killer who attacked two mosques and mass murdered dozens of Muslims at a mosque and made clear he was doing so because it was viewed that Islam is a danger. We had the mass shooter in a Buffalo supermarket, who made manifest their white supremacist views. We've had mass shooters who are motivated by hatred of Christianity, as happened in the Nashville shooter attack on a Christian school there, I mean, I could go on and on. 

As I said, every single political faction produces mass shooters, mass killers, evil, crazy people who use violence indiscriminately against innocents in advance of their beliefs. But most of the time, and you might even be able to say all of the times – I mean, maybe I don't like the phrase all of the times because you can conceive of exceptions, but close to all the time, most of the time, people who go and just randomly shoot at innocent people whom they don't know are above all else driven by mental illness and spiritual decay, not by political ideology or adherence to a political cause. That often is the pretext for what they're doing; that may be how they convince themselves that what they are doing is justified. But far more often than not, the principle overriding factor is the fact that the person is just mentally ill or spiritually broken, by which I mean just a completely nihilistic person who has given up on life and wants to just inflict suffering on other people because of the suffering that they feel or their suffering from delusions. 

And this isn't something I invented today. This is something I've long been saying. And I just want to make one more point, which is, even though there are sometimes manifestos that are extremely clear and say, “I am murdering people in a supermarket that is African-American because I hate Black people and I don't think they belong in the United States,” or “I believe that white people are the sole proper citizens of the United States and I want to murder and kill inspired by those other mass murderers” that I mentioned, even then, it may not be the case that the person's representation of what they're is the actual motive because it could be driven by a whole variety of other factors, including mental illness, or all kinds of other issues to be able to conclude in six hours, even with a crystal-clear manifesto that the person did it for reasons that you're ready to definitively assert are the reasons is so irresponsible. It's just so intellectually bankrupt. 

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