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Hunter Biden's Conviction Proves Media’s 2020 "Disinfo" Campaign; Joe Biden's Approval Ratings at Record Low After Trump Verdict; Liberals Embrace Prison Fantasies to Warn of Trump’s Dangers | SYSTEM UPDATE 281
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June 13, 2024
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Good evening. It's June 11. 

Tonight: In a federal courtroom earlier today in Delaware, a jury very quickly and unanimously returned guilty verdicts on all three felony charges brought against the president's son, Hunter Biden. 

There are all sorts of points to note about this trial and today's conviction. First, it's worth recalling that DOJ prosecutors repeatedly tried hard to sweep the case under the rug through absurdly generous plea offers. IRS whistleblowers insisted that the investigation into Hunter Biden's crimes was far more passive and bizarrely limited than most Americans who face similar tax fraud investigations. The charges he was convicted of today are far less serious than many other charges he will face – or could face – especially for unregistered foreign lobbying. The White House will almost certainly try to exploit this conviction to refute Trump's claims that the Justice Department is being weaponized against him. After all, they will say, the president's own son was tried and convicted, proving the justice and blindness of our judicial system. 

However, at least for me, one point stands out above all the rest. The prosecution of Hunter Biden relied overwhelmingly on the documents and other materials found on his laptop, the very same laptop that The New York Post used right before the 2020 election to report on a series of highly sketchy and ethically questionable business deals that the Biden family was pursuing in both Ukraine and China, with the very likely involvement of Joe Biden himself. Those are the same documents and laptop that CIA and Intelligence officials, the Democratic Party and the liberal wing of the corporate media united before the 2020 election to falsely brand as “Russian disinformation,” which had the multiple pro-Biden effects of encouraging Americans to ignore the documents as fabrications, to believe that Russia was yet again interfering in our election to help Trump win, this time with forged documents and Hunter Biden's name. It also provided a pretext for Big Tech platforms such as Facebook and Twitter to actively censor this reporting about the Bidens from even being discussed, preventing millions of Americans from even hearing about it.

That the FBI and the DOJ were able to enter those laptop documents as evidence in this trial, by definition, meant that the court concluded the documents were authentic. Biden and his lawyers barely even tried to dispute their authenticity, and the jury's guilty verdicts prove that they also found the documents authentic and reliable. In other words, it's the final nail in the coffin of one of the most blatant and consequential acts of disinformation in the last decade, all done to ensure Joe Biden's victory before the 2020 election. 

Then: As the 2024 election approaches and it appears that liberals' greatest hope to win, namely Trump's conviction in Manhattan, has little to no effect on the electorate, they, and especially their media, are getting increasingly shrill, desperate, unhinged and shockingly deranged in their blind and spastic efforts to find some way to defeat Donald Trump. Over the past 24 hours, both Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and MSNBC's Rachel Maddow have earnestly announced that they fear that Trump will imprison those two dangerous and brave dissidents in the domestic concentration camps that Trump intends to build. That very sober announcement followed the on-the-brink-of-tears warning – really a plea – from former Bush/Cheney spokeswoman and current MSNBC host Nicolle Wallace, who said that a Trump victory might mean that Trump would cancel her show – ban her from being on the air.

The irony of all of this – that it is exactly these people who have been drooling for years over the prospect of imprisoning Trump – never seems to occur to them. But it is nonetheless worth looking at to see the level of hysteria, paranoia and emotional instability that is forming much of our political and media discourse.

Plus: after that, many Democrats spent the last two years genuinely believing and explicitly claiming that convicting Donald Trump on various crimes is their salvation to winning the 2024 election. Over and over, they said openly that if we can get Donald Trump into prison or at least convicted in a court of law before the election, that is our real chance to win. They got a conviction in Manhattan and yet polling data after that conviction shows that, at least for now, the electorate seems to care very little about that issue and it is very, very, very far from their top concerns when deciding for whom they will vote. More disturbing for Democrats, a FiveThirtyEight polling survey finds that Joe Biden has reached his all-time low in presidential approval ratings just five months before the election. 

Think about what all this says about, among other things, the corporate media, how simultaneously out-of-touch they are with voters believing that the guilty verdict will determine how they vote, not the economy or inflation or immigration or anything else. Yet it also shows how obviously and rapidly declining their influence over American voters is since they've been telling them for two years that Joe Biden is the salvation, the only way to protect American democracy. Obviously, they're speaking only to like-minded people, and therefore the people don't believe and are not in any way affected by anything that they're saying. 

 

For now, welcome to a new episode of System Update, starting right now. 


It is not all that difficult, it might even be tempting, to make the argument that the behavior, even the criminal conduct of the president's son, Hunter Biden, is not all that relevant to our public discourse after all. So goes this rationale: Hunter Biden has never run for political office; he's not running for political office in 2024; Parents can't be held responsible for the conduct of their adult children, any more than those adult children can’t be held responsible for the conduct of their parents. The fact that Hunter Biden is – or at least was, I guess, the claim goes – a serious drug addict is something that is very well known and it is often the case that people who get addicted to very serious narcotics, or who become alcoholics because of those addictions, are likely to engage in very morally questionable or unethical and often criminal behavior. 

The problem is that Hunter Biden was charged with federal crimes and was convicted in a federal courtroom. That means that the prosecutors who decided his fate work directly for Biden’s Justice Department and answer to Joe Biden's attorney general, Merrick Garland. Besides that, there has been a lot going on in this case with a very significant impact on many matters that are clearly in the public interest. I've never thought that Hunter Biden's personal life - his sex life and his drug usage - were of any relevance to anything. That's his private life with presumably all adult, consensual partners and no one has claimed otherwise. The question, though, is how has this case been handled and what does it say about both the fairness of our justice system and the behavior of the American media. 

So just to give you the background on the charges for which he was convicted, we’ll use The New York Times report from today:

 

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He could face up to 25 years in prison, but first-time offenders who did not use their weapons to commit a violent crime typically receive no jail time. No sentencing date was set.

 

In September, Mr. Biden is scheduled to go on trial in Los Angeles for charges that he evaded a tax assessment, failed to file and pay taxes, and filed a false or fraudulent tax return. It is considered the more serious case against him.

 

The guilty verdict in his gun case on Tuesday raises the possibility that he would receive a stiffer sentence if a jury convicts him in the tax case because federal guidelines take into account previous convictions. (The New York Times, June 11, 2024)



So, he has another and more serious case, with more serious charges, that is imminent and will likely be in September before the election. And then, of course, he would no longer be a first-time offender. 

 

One of the things that I think is very interesting is that the court charge that they brought against Hunter Biden here is that he purchased a weapon but, under federal law, if you are an active drug addict or drug user, you are not permitted to purchase a firearm. He had to fill out a form in which he attested to the fact that he was not an active drug user. And the basic charge against him that brought this trial was that he submitted a false statement to obtain a firearm. Technically, that is a crime. I wouldn't call it a very serious crime, especially since, as the article noted, he can use a firearm against anybody. But certainly, it was the case that you could say the same thing about Donald Trump, namely that altering your internal bookkeeping to cover up hush payments to a porn star may be technically illegal. I wouldn't suggest it as a misdemeanor, but it's the kind of thing that would almost never be brought against anyone not named Donald Trump. 

Interestingly, I saw a lot of conservatives and a lot of Trump supporters today, on principle, objecting to the conviction of Hunter Biden by arguing that Americans have the constitutional right to carry firearms, there's no drug addict or drug use exception to that constitutional right, and that essentially the idea that you can't purchase a firearm without proving that you're not a drug addict is a violation of the Second Amendment. Seeing a lot of conservatives, on principle, objecting to Hunter Biden's conviction in this case, something I have to say, I did not see or can't recall seeing a single liberal doing – invoking a principle about criminal justice or how courts work to make a similar defense about Donald Trump – that's something I find very interesting. 

The other aspect of this is that the real questions about Hunter Biden, criminally speaking, have never been in this case, they have never been about his attempt to purchase a gun while being a drug addict. The real issue is the corruption Hunter Biden engaged in in places like Ukraine and China. That was what The New York Post was trying to report in 2020, when the entire media united against them to disparage that reporting falsely as the byproduct of Russian disinformation, reporting that Big Tech then tried to censor. The real question surrounding Hunter Biden's criminality is what he was doing in Ukraine, a country where his father as vice president was basically running.

Remember, Joe Biden has often boasted about the orders he gave to the Ukrainian government to remove certain prosecutors that he disliked, the threats that he made to the Ukrainians to withhold $1 billion in aid unless they followed his command to remove a prosecutor. Joe Biden was running Ukraine as kind of an imperial overlord, micromanaging all sorts of things at the same time that Hunter Biden was being paid $50,000 a month by a Ukrainian energy company, Burisma, despite no experience in that industry, no knowledge of it at all. There is all kinds of evidence that Burisma tried and succeeded through Hunter Biden in gaining access to Joe Biden. And then on top of that, you have all sorts of very strange deals that Hunter Biden and President Biden's brother were pursuing together in China. 

One of the memos The New York Post found from the laptop, which the media falsely said was a fabrication, shows that Joe Biden had potential profit participation in one of those deals. There is all kinds of sketchy behavior and potential criminality on the part of not only Hunter Biden but other members of his family, which, in many ways, this trial over these relatively trivial charges seems intended to conceal or to distract from. 

The other aspect of it, of course, and we reported on this last week when the charges were first brought, was that an FBI agent testified at length about how much they relied on the documents that came from Hunter Biden's laptop, the laptop that the entire media, the CIA and Big Tech united before the election to deliberately lie about and call it Russian disinformation, even though there was never an iota of support to make that claim. We now know that claim was an absolute lie – actually, I knew it before the 2020 election. Media outlets admitted that shortly after Biden was elected. We've had all kinds of evidence since then that proves the authenticity of these documents. But the fact that Hunter Biden was just convicted based on the admissibility of evidence that they took from his laptop, the same one that we were told was Russian disinformation and couldn't be proven. As you know, I was prevented by my own media outlet from reporting on the contents of those documents based on the Intercept’s claim that they got from the CIA that there was doubt about the authenticity of those documents. This was something that the media did, and very well may have swung the election, given that people were already concerned about Democrats and the kind of corruption in which they engaged, but were simply barred from hearing about this story because the media instead focused on pronouncing it to be Russian disinformation. When Trump raised it in debate, Biden immediately said, you're doing the Kremlin's work. And of course, the worst thing of all was that Big Tech censored Twitter for several days, Facebook said they were algorithmically suppressing the story, and they wouldn’t answer questions about how long that lasted. Presumably, it lasted through the end of the election, something far more consequential than what Twitter did. Yet, this trial now proves this. 

From NBC News on June 5.

 

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The witness, FBI agent Erika Jensen, testified about the authenticity of Hunter Biden's laptop, which has been the subject of rumors and speculation online for years. Jensen said the laptop contained evidence of Hunter Biden's drug and gun purchase. (NBC News, June 5, 2024)

 

The FBI agent explained exactly how they confirmed the authenticity of that email, namely subpoenaing Apple and saying that the contents and the serial number were exactly the same. 

 

One of the things that should not be forgotten about all this, because we did end up with a conviction here, is how much was done by prosecutors and other agencies in the executive branch that answer to Joe Biden to cover up and conceal and prevent any of this from ever seeing the light of day. One of the most remarkable things was that the prosecutors working for the special counsel negotiated an extraordinary plea deal with Hunter Biden. They said: if you plead guilty, just to these gun charges, we will give you full immunity on every other conceivable criminal charge that you might face, even unrelated to these issues – including the ones I mentioned, such as the possibility of lobbying on behalf of foreign governments without registering it, a crime that they convicted many Trump officials, such as Paul Manafort, of having engaged in. It was a deal unlike the ones you ever get for an ordinary citizen. And they did it in the back room, on the phone with Hunter Biden and his lawyers. 

There was a lot of speculation, a lot of concerns raised by people in Congress and by others that this deal seemed very overly generous, that it was designed not only to end this case with no jail time but also to prevent any of the other future charges, the ones that are far more serious, from ever seeing the light of day. And that plea deal completely fell apart the minute that it was brought into the public light. 

 

Here's The New York Times article from July of 2023:

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In other words, instead of just accepting the plea deal, she kind of just began questioning in public what this plea deal actually entailed. 

 

Judge Maryellen Noreika has delayed a decision on whether to accept the plea agreement between federal prosecutors and Hunter Biden — demanding that the two sides make changes in the deal clarifying her role and insert language that limits the broad immunity from prosecution offered to Biden on his business dealings.

 

From the start, the judge seemed highly skeptical of the unusual deal — which offered Hunter Biden broad immunity from prosecution in perpetuity, questioning why it had been filed under a provision that gave her no legal authority to reject it. When she asked Leo Wise, a prosecutor, if there was any precedent for the kind of deal being proposed, he replied, “No, your honor.” (NYT, July 26, 2023)

 

And what happened was that, in secret, the prosecutor said, you have full immunity on all charges but, once they had to explain themselves and justify the plea deal to the court upon just a little bit of judicial scrutiny, the prosecutors were so embarrassed by how generous this plea deal was that, on the spot, they reinterpreted it and they told the judge it did not include other investigations and criminal activity that Hunter Biden may have been responsible for when it came to illegal foreign lobbying. 

The minute the prosecutor said that Hunter Biden's lawyers were outraged – correctly – because they said, “That wasn't our plea deal, you told us that it covers all charges.” The prosecutors were too embarrassed to have the public know just how broad it was. They had to deny that it included all future charges, and that was when the plea deal fell apart and then they took this case to trial. 

There were all kinds of shenanigans, as Democrats tried to claim all this proves the justice system is politicized, it is blind to who they're treating, even convicting the president's son. Remember how many times whistleblowers came forward, it was very clear that these prosecutors were doing everything possible to protect Hunter Biden in every way. 

One of the things that has long disgusted me about the media’s attempt to defend Hunter Biden, and we're seeing it in all sorts of different places now with this trial ongoing and the conviction is, the idea that, oh, actually, this is not about his criminality. It's actually a beautiful and moving story about a father's love for his son and the struggles that many families in America face in overcoming addiction. Of course, indeed, millions of Americans either themselves or members of their families, a close family member or friends struggle with addiction and alcoholism, and it can ruin their lives and wreck their lives. But they don't have the media launching a propaganda campaign to say that they shouldn't have to pay for any of the consequences of that because of this addiction. And yet, here's what the media has been doing from the start when it comes to Hunter Biden. And only Hunter Biden.

Here was the New York Times's Nicholas Kristof, when these charges were brought:

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It was not only something that didn't reflect negatively on Hunter Biden or his father. It was actually something that showed how beautiful they are because the crimes that Hunter Biden committed were actually motivated by his addiction, for which we should not have any sort of anger toward him as a society or seek to punish him, but have only empathy – an idea which, by the way, I generally support, that addiction is more of a health problem than it is a penal problem, that addicts should be treated with resources and not put into prison. That doesn't mean that crimes they commit, actual crimes, should be excused because they're addicts. But in general, I agree that that is the correct approach to drug addiction and alcoholism in the U.S. And I would be celebrating this if it weren't for the fact that it's only being invoked not on behalf of all American families struggling with addiction and alcoholism, but only in the case of Hunter Biden. 

Here is a video of a segment on “Morning Joe” about the Hunter Biden case yesterday that involved the extremely partisan columnist for “The Daily Beast,” Molly Jong-Fast, who grew up in Manhattan as the daughter of an extremely famous and wealthy novelist, Erica Jong. 

The graphic on the screen reads “Republicans are going after Hunter Biden for his addiction, and they're playing a dangerous game.” That was the title of the article she wrote, claiming that Republicans were going after Hunter Biden not because he committed crimes, not because he was lobbying in Ukraine and China, or pursuing business deals but they are going after him because he's an addict. He was the victim here. The real victim was Hunter Biden. Listen to this. 

 

(Video. Molly Jong-Fast. MSNBC. June 10, 2024)

 

Mika B: You could talk a little bit more about this. It seems to me that it would be very hard to find a jury that has been untouched by addiction completely. 

 

Molly Jong-Fast: Yeah. And the reason that I wanted to come forward and write about this is because even though I've been sober since I was a teenager, I felt that the disease Hunter Biden has is the same disease that I have, is the same disease that, you know, almost 20% of the country has. And, you know, Republicans do love to talk about, like, fentanyl coming over the border like there's a reason that, you know, drugs are a problem in this country and it's largely because of addiction. So, this is another part of that. I think Republicans have really, actually not had a lot of success using Hunter Biden to sully Joe Biden. But they have tried one of the sort of moments in the debate where Biden ended up, you know, being that Biden that voters really like was when he talked about his son's addiction. And he said, you know, he struggled with addiction. He's made it through and that he's incredibly proud of his son for that. And look, I came forward partially because I wanted to destigmatize this. And I feel like, you know, a lot of talk for a long time, alcoholism and addiction was this terrible secret we didn't talk about. I feel like for me because I've been sober since I was a teenager, I have this ability to talk about it in a way that's a […] 

 

Okay. She's so brave. She admitted she was an alcoholic when she was a teenager and therefore she shares the same illness as Hunter Biden. 

 

As I said, I actually do believe strongly in this model of empathy for addicts and in using our resources to help them recover from that addiction or from alcoholism, instead of just throwing them in a prison cell where it's likely to get worse. But what sickens me about this is fake compassion. This is fake empathy. It's politicizing empathy for addiction. I want you to think about this: have you ever heard major television outlets, or a huge army of pundits, coming forward to defend ordinary Americans who are being convicted of crimes that resulted from their addiction or from their alcoholism in this way? And what sickens me even more is this idea that Joe Biden is a particularly compassionate politician who Americans love when they get to see that side of him. He's expressing so much support and empathy for his son's drug addiction and that shows what kind of person Joe Biden is. 

The irony of that is that there is no single political official in Washington over the last several decades who has been a more aggressive, unapologetic and unyielding supporter of imposing the harshest possible prison sentences not on major drug lords or drug dealers, but on drug users. This empathy has never emerged or been seen in Joe Biden's entire life until it came time to defend his son. And I think the notion that someone has compassion or empathy for a certain behavior only when it affects themselves and wants to throw everyone else in prison, far from being a virtue, is a very repellent character flaw. 

Let me just show you one of Joe Biden's many, many speeches on this issue that completely contradict this narrative. It’s from 1991 when he was speaking on the Senate floor. Remember, he's been a senator since the 1970s, when he was 29 years old. 

(Video. Joe Biden. U.S. Senate Floor. 1991)

Joe Biden: […] But let's look at the facts. Since 1986, Congress has passed over 230 new or expanded penalties for drug and criminal offenses in the United States – 230 new penalties. And these penalties range from an automatic five years in jail for any person caught with a rock of crack cocaine, a piece of crack cocaine as small as a quarter. I don't have a quarter with me. Maybe if you visualize what one looks like. Yeah, I do have a quarter. If you have a piece of crack cocaine, no bigger than this quarter that I'm holding to my head, one-quarter of $1. We passed a law through the leadership of Senator Thurman and myself and others, a law that says if you're caught with that, you go to jail for five years, you get no probation. You get nothing other than five years in jail. The judge doesn't have a choice. Now, the fact of the matter is, we've gone from there all the way up to saying, under the leadership of Senator Thurman – and I'd like to suggest that I take some small credit for it myself as well, and others, the presiding officer – that there is now a death penalty, and we passed it a couple of years ago. If you are a major drug dealer involved in the trafficking of drugs and murder results in your activities, you go to death. 



Okay, so we've all by now seen the video of Hunter Biden using crack cocaine. The amount of crack cocaine that he had and was using was far, far, far bigger than that quarter that Joe Biden was referring to. And in this video, Joe Biden was boasting of the fact that a law that he helped implement required – not permit a judge, but required a judge – to send anybody possessing crack cocaine, even a tiny amount, directly to prison for five years, with no possibility of parole or mitigation or any kind of understanding of their situation. And this is something that he's done his entire career. He's never apologized for this, rescinded this, said that he was in error. So, this idea that Joe Biden is empathetic to drug users and we all should be so moved by that is a complete revision of the actual history of the actual behavior of Joe Biden and his attempt to imprison and, of course, doing that with crack cocaine also had made to racial disparities. It put a huge number of black people in prison whose crime was nothing other than being a drug addict using crack cocaine that they got hooked on, just like Joe Biden's son did. And so, to watch this kind of serious issue about how we treat addiction, how we deal with communities ravaged by addiction, trifled with and played with and so cynically manipulated, simply to defend Hunter Biden, when the real story is how the Biden Justice Department, just like they've been going after Trump, tried to do everything to shield his son, is truly sickening. It gives you an idea, however, of just how these partisan channels are willing to say literally anything to distort reality right in front of your eyes to achieve their partisan objectives.

 

 



One of the things that you would have thought the 2016 election demonstrated or proved to the corporate media, or at least prompted a lot of self-reflection, was just how completely removed and out of touch and separate they are from the ordinary voter. The entire media essentially was united in support of Hillary Clinton's campaign and against Donald Trump's campaign. They did everything possible to sabotage that campaign, including drowning the country in yet another disinformation campaign – not the laptop disinformation campaign that was 2020 – but the Russiagate disinformation campaign that came from the FBI and the CIA, an attempt to sabotage Donald Trump's candidacy that they did fear because of the ideology, views and policies he was advocating. 

Throughout the year, they insisted that there had never been a candidate as dangerous as Donald Trump. Every newsroom was absolutely certain that Hillary Clinton was not only going to be the winner of that election but also win by a very comfortable margin. None of that happened. Voters had very different priorities than people who are ensconced in studios in Washington and New York and working with large contracts from major media corporations. 

Surprise, surprise, people who are far less economically well-off or who live in different places or have different values, don't actually feel represented by the media that, say, 50 or 60 years ago, they felt very represented by and that actually tried to support all sectors of American life. That's no longer the case. Everything is segregated. Liberal outlets, which aren't most in the corporate media, know that they're speaking only to liberals. That's their business model. It's their political activist model. And so, when they drone on and on and on, they're mostly speaking to people who already are on their side, and it changes nothing. 

Here we are in 2024 and I don't need to tell you everything the media has been saying and doing to convince Americans, yet again, that Donald Trump is not just a bad president, but basically a Hitlerian figure, a major threat to American democracy. It's something we hear over and over and over. As I mentioned, they were quite certain that convicting Donald Trump on any felony, no matter what it was, would basically sabotage and doom his candidacy and at the same time ensure Joe Biden's reelection. 

 

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And yet, lo and behold, from FiveThirtyEight, the site that Nate Silver founded that analyzes and aggregates polling data, here you see that Joe Biden's approval rating is currently at its lowest ever rate. 

This is from February 2023 and throughout 2023 into 2024. His disapproval rating is now 56.6%, while his approval rating is 37.6%. And this comes in the wake of an onslaught by the corporate media to glorify Joe Biden's presidency, to convince Americans that their belief that they're struggling economically is misplaced and baseless. 

I cannot tell you how many times I have heard or seen journalists who work for cable outlets or other major media corporations who have multimillion-dollar contracts as their annual salary, who have large homes in which they live, paid off along with their summer homes in the Hamptons or in Georgetown, where they live, and then in Martha's Vineyard, tell everybody the economy is doing very, very well. It’s you Americans out there who think that you're economically struggling and don't understand the data. You should not be angry at Joe Biden. You should be grateful because of how good your lives are. And then they're shocked when Joe Biden's approval ratings continue to plummet. It is a reflection not only of how little in common they have with the people who they think they are lecturing and directing and leading but also just how incapable they are of understanding the priorities of American voters because they're completely different from these media figures, for obvious reasons, that if you're very wealthy, if you're making a lot of money, your concern for the economy is much less. Your belief that the economy is doing very well is much higher because the economy actually is doing well for you, which doesn't mean it's doing well for everybody else. 

The other aspect, obviously, and we've seen this in polling data over and over and over and over, is that one of the main reasons the American public does not trust Joe Biden and does not want to vote for him for a second term is the obviously well-grounded belief that Biden, who is now 81, already the oldest American president ever to serve in that office, is trying to run for a second term, which will bring him to the age of 85 at the end of that term. Everyone can see in plain sight that he is rapidly deteriorating cognitively and in every other way as a result of age. One of the reasons why American voters are so impervious to being gaslit and told that what they're seeing is not the truth is because this is one of the areas in which Americans have a lot of confidence in their own ability to judge, they don't need experts to help guide them through that. That's because most of us have had the experience – I know I have and most people I know have – of having loved ones or family members who get very old, in their 80s and 90s, deteriorate in every way, cognitively and physically. And we can recognize it. We don't need journalists to tell us whether it's true. We can see it for ourselves. Just that video clip I showed you from Biden in 1991 shows he's a completely different individual. 

And yet, I want to show you just a clip that I found so amazing. There was recently a Wall Street Journal article that was headlined “Behind Closed Doors, Biden Shows Signs of Slipping.” And it quoted a lot of Democrats, although none of them, because they're cowards, would go on the record talking about how in meetings it's actually embarrassing, he sometimes rambles and no one has any idea what he's saying. They're talking about matters of war and peace or economic policy or the debt ceiling or agreements and he just starts rambling, and there's a very soft voice that almost nobody can hear. Half the time he's reading from note cards that are the most basic and elementary points that everybody already understands and agrees with, and that has nothing to do with the negotiation. And for a long period of time, he'll just close his eyes and check out. Or when it's time for him to speak, there will just be dead silence for 30 seconds. Even Democrats are saying how uncomfortable it is, how visible it is that we're all seeing the same thing in public. 

The White House has been trying to say, oh, don't worry, in private, he's this very sharp, robust leader, even if you don't see it in public. So, the Wall Street Journal was deeply reported, but the only ones who would go on record were Republicans, even though a lot of Democrats were saying the same thing. 

Here's how Joe Scarborough, who let's remember, was a Republican his entire life. In 1994, he was elected to Congress as part of the anti-establishment, conservative backlash led by Newt Gingrich. He was one of those congressmen, and now he has a multimillion-dollar contract with MSNBC. And he knows that to keep that, he has to essentially engage in anti-Trump propaganda every day, which he does. But here is Joe Scarborough, trying to convince people that not only is Joe Biden not suffering cognitive decline, but he is essentially sharper, more analytically sophisticated and more tuned to complex issues in economics and foreign policy than almost anybody else in Washington. Just listen to this. 

 

(Video. Morning Joe. June 9, 2024)

 

MB: […] When Biden was negotiating with House Republicans to lift the debt ceiling, his demeanor and command of the details seemed to shift from one day to the next, according to then-House Speaker Kevin McCarthy, 

 

Joe Scarborough: […] people around Mike Johnson and the senator admit that this was basically House Republicans whacking. 

 

MB: Why didn't they just ask Marjorie Taylor Greene? 

 

Joe Scarborough: Exactly. Why? Yeah. They could […]

 

MB: And Lauren Boebert

 

Joe Scarborough: It's it it's really shocking, especially when you see what Kevin McCarthy has said repeatedly, publicly and behind the scenes, about Biden, on those same days when they were negotiating,

 

MB: The strong feelings you're seeing about this article comes also because the context of this race and these two candidates… It's interesting. That's all I'll say. Anyhow, that flies in the face of what McCarthy said about Biden's effectiveness in the past. From Politico last year, quote, “McCarthy mocked Biden's age and mental acuity in public.” […]

 

Joe Scarborough: In public, like he did in this article.

 

MB: […] “While privately telling allies that he found the president sharp and substantive in their conversations – a contradiction that left a deep impression on the White House.” This is from the New York Times: “Privately, Mr. McCarthy has told allies that he has found Mr. Biden to be mentally sharp in meetings.” 

 

And Joe Scarborough rather went on a five-minute rant about how he has known how speakers met with House speakers for over 30 years, and that the current Joe Biden puts every one of them to shame, including Kevin McCarthy, when it comes to his mental acuity, his ability to understand and make strong, reasoned decisions on complex matters… I mean, this is North Korea-level-style propaganda. This is the sort of thing that anybody with a minimal amount of shame would refuse to do. But these partisan outlets have none of that shame. I mean, they're counting on trying to tell the American people that what they're seeing, they should not believe, they should not trust their own lying eyes. I mean, that is the only strategy and every day you see new images of Biden shuffling, that kind of very slow shuffle, representing just a complete kind of gradual shutdown of the human organism, of the body, which obviously includes the brain as well. You can see him, half the time, with no idea where he is, no idea where he's supposed to go, looking extremely confused. 

And yet, Democrats, wealthy, out-of-touch Democrats, really believe that what people are going to vote on are things like Trump's conviction in a Manhattan courtroom, in what they probably perceive to be nothing more than a private matter of infidelity, something that during the Clinton years they proved they really don't care about. What they want in their political leaders are people who are going to make their lives materially better. They have a positive recollection of the Trump economy, before COVID, and they feel they're economically struggling under Biden. And yet the kind of people who are reading Democrats and telling them what it is that they should say are people like Alexander Soros. 

 

If you can find a person who has less in common with almost every other American, let alone average Americans in swing states, than Alexander Soros, I'd like to find out who that is. He was not only born into multi-billionaire wealth that he did not earn, though inherited, but every single thing that Alexander Soros has done in his life – everything that he is – is the exclusive byproduct of genetic luck, of having been born to somebody who actually compiled a massive fortune, regardless of how they did that. 

Alexander Soros didn't try to go into another field to prove that he was capable. He just followed his father around and he inherited the Open Society Foundation that his father runs, and the way that he exercises political control with billions of dollars, and even that alone. Imagine the Open Society is a big foundation with huge numbers of employees. Do you think George Soros’s son just happens to be the best person, the most competent person to run it? 

Everyone knows Alexander Soros is only relevant and important because he got billions and billions of dollars that he did not earn. He's somebody whose entire life comes not from any of his accomplishments, but purely his father's. And you would think that would bestow somebody with a sense of shame, or at least humility, like, “Maybe I don't actually understand how the majority of American voters reason and what's important to them and what they're going through because I was born into unimaginable billionaire wealth that I've now inherited.” But apparently, people like him have no shame. What ends up happening is that because of how I'm sure everyone around Alexander Soros has treated him since birth, how elites treat him knowing that he has more money than almost anybody – George Soros uses more money to influence the political system than anybody, so, you can imagine how the doors swing open for Alexander Soros and how they always have – and somehow that has convinced him not that he is a byproduct of luck and unearned success, but that he somehow has been endowed with great wisdom as reflected by the power that he has amassed. 

Here he is issuing instructions to the Democratic Party. Every day, he posts pictures of himself with Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, or Nancy Pelosi. He's always with them, donating money and having fundraisers. And here he is telling them what Democrats should do to win the election. This is the decree he issued on May 31:



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If you're Alexander Soros and you're drowning in billions of dollars of wealth, and you have access to every single elite sector, maybe the things that you think are the top concerns for voters are not really the top concerns for voters. Maybe believing that Trump's conviction in the Manhattan trial in a case involving a porn star and hush payments might not be the most important thing to Americans who weren't born into billions of dollars of wealth. Yet, this is how they constantly reason. That's the way in which these media people are: so out of touch with the public who they think they're lecturing into and directing. 

 

Here is actual empirical data, polling data after the Trump conviction that shows what Americans' priorities actually are. From CBS News on June 9: 



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Among all the factors on voters' minds this election, former President Donald Trump's guilty verdict pales in comparison to issues like the economy, inflation, and the border — all items on which Trump maintains advantages. As such, the verdict has not dramatically reshaped the race. 

 

(CBS News, June 9, 2024)



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Again, if you are a very wealthy liberal immediately, let alone Alexander Soros, none of these issues matter to you. You don't care about inflation. You don't even notice inflation. 

The first issue that Americans are concerned about, the major factor is the economy (81%); inflation (75%); state of democracy (74%); crime (62%); the U.S.-Mexico border (56%); gun policy (52%). 

At the very end is Trump's conviction: only 28%. 

Look at the enormous disparity between that and all those other issues that have affected people's lives. I'll guarantee you that the 28% who even said they cared that much were overwhelmingly Democratic voters who would never vote for Trump, in any event. But the media keep telling them that's such an important issue. 

Again, if you're a wealthy liberal elite on the coast, of course, you don't think these issues matter. The economy is doing great for you. You don't notice inflation because you're so rich. You live in neighborhoods where crime doesn't happen. You send your kids to private schools. You live in the kind of community where you don't have to deal with assimilating immigrants. So, you can focus on these kinds of ethereal issues, like these abstract dangers Trump poses because of his conviction. And this gap between elite, political and media sectors, on the one hand, and the entire rest of the country on the other, can't really be understated in terms of its importance. 

Historically, it's kind of like the Versailles model when you have the elite completely clustered in certain exclusive places that have nothing in common with the lives of all the other people over whom they think they have a right to rule. You get extreme levels of hatred, justifiable hatred from the ordinary people towards these elites. 

We covered the EU elections last night. That's been the major driving force of anti-establishment sentiment all throughout the West since 2016, with Brexit and Trump and even before that, and certainly since. And the more the elite class sees that ordinary Americans, ordinary citizens, are disobeying them and voting differently than they are instructed, the more contempt the elite class has for those people. And that, in turn, is perceived by the ordinary people, and they then repeal that class even more. That's exactly what's happening. It's the reason why almost all institutions of authority have completely lost the faith and trust of the citizenry they once commanded, and why media institutions and media corporations, in particular, are so intensely and pervasively despised. 

 


 

All right, let me quickly show you, because I've been talking a little bit about the desperation of liberal discourse and the like and how the more liberals start seeing things like this, they start panicking and really start getting extremely desperate. So, first let me show you an interview that Rachel Maddow gave to CNN's Oliver Darcy, the media reporter. I'm sure we can imagine how adversarial that interview was, where CNN's Oliver Darcy interviewed MSNBC's Rachel Maddow. 

Here is part of the exchange that they had. 

 

Oliver Darcy: Trump and his allies are openly talking about weaponizing the government to seek revenge against critics in media and politics, with some of his extremist allies even talking about jailing their fellow Americans. 

 

I absolutely love the irony where liberals say, oh, we have to prevent Trump from getting into office because if he does, he's going to use the Justice Department to prosecute, criminalize and imprison his critics, when that is all liberals have been trying to do to Trump for the last three years. Trump was president for four years and never once did that. The difference, though, is he didn't do it, Democrats are actually doing it. And then, the Oliver Darcy goes on and says:

 

Oliver Darcy: You're one of his most notable critics on television. Are you worried that you could be a target?

 

Rachel Maddow: I'm worried about the country broadly if we put someone in power who is openly avowing that he plans to build camps to hold millions of people, and to "root out" what he’s described in subhuman terms as his "enemy from within." Again, history is helpful here. He’s not joking when he says this stuff, and we’ve seen what happens when people take power proclaiming that kind of agenda.

 

I think there’s a little bit of head-in-the-sand complacency that Trump only intends to go after individual people he has already singled out. Do you really think he plans to stop at well-known liberals?

 

For that matter, what convinces you that these massive camps he’s planning are only for migrants? So, yes, I’m worried about me — but only as much as I’m worried about all of us. (CNN, Oliver Darcy, June 10, 2024)



So, she’s basically saying: I’m one of the most notable people on television who criticizes Trump and even though he had already had four years in office where he didn't do a single thing like any of this – he didn't build concentration camps or gas chambers; he didn't round up his critics and put them in prison; he didn't close newsrooms – now suddenly they say, “No, this time he's really going to do it.” 

They were saying these things all before the 2016 election as well. I think it's very difficult to convince Americans that Trump is a Hitler figure when he was actually just president four years ago and I don't think Americans got the impression that he was doing things that made Hitler, Hitler. 

If you think what Rachel Maddow was saying - that she’s going to be sent to a camp - was deranged, I need you to listen to what Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said yesterday as well, when speaking to Kara Swisher. And listen not only to her words, but also the tone of voice she's employing when saying these things. 

 

(Audio. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Kara Swisher. June 10, 2024)

 

Kara Swisher: What happens to you if Donald Trump wins? What do you do? What's your first […]

 

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez: I mean, it sounds nuts, but like, I wouldn't be surprised if this guy threw me in jail. 

 

Kara Swisher: Really? 

 

“I wouldn't be surprised if this guy threw me in jail.” That was her first answer when she was asked, as a congressman, what's the first thing you would do? And she said, look, I'm probably gonna end up in jail. This guy's going to throw me in jail. That's how important I am and that's how dissident I am. I’m such a threat to establishment power that Trump intends to put me – me, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez – who's basically a glorified social media influencer, into a gulag, a concentration camp. Listen to the rest. 

 

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez: He's out of his mind. I mean, he did his whole first campaign around “lock her up” like this was his motto. 

 

Kara Swisher: But he didn't say that. You know, he said he didn’t say that 

 

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez: Right? I take him at his word. I take him at his word. I take him at his word when he says that he's going to round up people. I take him at his word when he threatens journalists. I take him at his word. I feel like what we saw in his first presidency was an amuse-bouche to what his intentions are. He has learned from his mistakes of appointing professionals, and he will not make that mistake next time […] 

 

Amazing that AOC is now saying, oh, in his first term he appointed professionals. Do you think that was what they were saying about Trump's team during that first term in office?

Anyway, it's not even just the utter narcissism and inflated self-importance that Trump is coming to put Rachel Maddow and AOC into concentration camps because they're such grave threats, such brave dissidents, I think they really believe it. It's like a kind of hysteria that they've been feeding on. 

Remember, these people only talk to each other and for each other. They only listen to the same media outlets that repeat all the same things. It's kind of not just a group think or her behavior, it's like a cult where you have this message indoctrinated, drummed into your head, every day, by your colleagues, by the media, by everyone who can provide you with positive rewards or negative rewards that Trump really is this Hitler figure that they start to believe in, even though he was just president four years ago and absolutely none of this happened. He did not put anybody in prison who were his political enemies. These are the people who are trying to put their political enemies into prison, and they've been doing it going all the way back to Trump's candidacy, to his campaign and then to his presidency here. Look at all the people who almost ended up in jail. Michael Flynn, Trump's incoming national security adviser, almost ended up in prison. He was charged and pleaded guilty because he picked up a phone and reached out to his counterpart in the Russian government to try to smooth over relations, exactly what you would expect them to do in the transition. They've been wanting the imprisonment of their political enemies, and they're getting the imprisonment of their political enemies for years, while at the same time they're projecting onto Trump what they themselves are doing. I suppose if you're somebody who really craves the imprisonment of your own political opponents, maybe, I guess you just automatically assume that that's how everybody else thinks as well. 

 

Now, let me just give you this kind of amazing contrast to make this point that I want to underscore. Again, this is where you get a sense of how unhinged, how demented these people are, how maniacal they are, and the kinds of hysterical claims that they're trying to make, knowing that they're seeing the same poll numbers as we just showed you. Nothing is working and so they're getting out of their minds. 

At the end of April, just a couple of months ago, the former Bush-Cheney spokeswoman, Nicole Wallace, who is now a very popular liberal host on MSNBC that has its own interesting dynamic buried within it, but Nicolle Wallace went on the air and while she didn't say she expects Trump to put her in a concentration camp the way AOC and Rachel Maddow did, this is something that, seemingly on the verge of tears, she was so worried about that she warned her audience what might likely happen if Trump were elected. Listen to this. 

 

(Video. Nicolle Wallace. April 29, 2024)

 

Nicolle Wallace: I've seen that toast a bunch of times, but it landed very differently this year because depending on what happens in November, seven months from right now, this time next year, I might not be sitting here. There might not be a White House Correspondents Dinner or free press while our democracy exactly falls apart immediately without it. The real threat looms larger. A candidate with outward disdain, not just for a free press, but for all of our freedoms and the rule of law itself. 

 

First of all, I think it's so funny that in trying to warn people of just how evil and extreme and dangerous Trump is, she said there might not even be a White House Correspondents Dinner. That thing where they all dress up in gowns and pretend that they're at the Oscars and they get to go to the White House. But she is, again, saying, like, I think Trump's going to take me off the air like he's just going to order me off the air. And the reason why I just find that so interesting is because I want you to hear the glee and the joy to the point where Nicolle Wallace was almost cackling in August of 2023 when she talked about how Trump was not only on his way to jail but was being put into one of the most dangerous prisons in the entire country where people have been murdered before, and how gleeful and happy she was. In other words, she's the one who wants to put her political enemies in jail, and I'm going to just leave to the side everything the Bush and Cheney administration did to destroy civil liberties while she was there defending it. Listen to what she said back in 2023, when Trump was on his way to a Georgia jail. 

 

(Video. Nicolle Wallace. August 24, 2023)

 

Nicolle Wallace: Just a few minutes ago, Donald Trump, the disgraced ex-president, the front runner for the Republican nominee for president four times indicted, departed his golf club in Bedminster, New Jersey. He's en route to Fulton County, Georgia. At Newark Airport, we believe he will surrender himself for processing at an overcrowded jail with a reputation for violence and neglect, a jail that is accustomed to holding defendants facing charges up to and including violent crimes. Stabbings are frequent. Actually, three people have lost their lives over the last month. That jail is where the disgraced ex-president of the United States is heading right now. 

 

I mean, do you see that? Who talks about prison that way? She's so excited. Trump's not just going to prison, but he's going to a prison that's one of the worst, most repressive, most dangerous prisons where people get raped and murdered. She's the one who wants to put her political enemies in prison. 

And she and this crowd are doing that very well. They have nothing to run on. They are behind the candidate. His brain is melting and everyone can see it. They are really spiraling out of control. And we're only in June. Imagine what they're going to be doing in July, August and September if these polling numbers stay the same or even get worse. I just think it's so important to take a step back and realize sometimes – probably most of you don't watch these shows, they're only speaking to like-minded people anyway – but I think it's important to note these are some of the world's largest media corporation, NBC News here, and then CNN, how genuinely detached these people are from reality. Not just how partisan they are, but how hysterical they are. They're spreading a kind of paranoia and sickness into the American body politic out of their desperation that Trump might win. That is really disturbing, not just politically, but psychologically and emotionally. 

 


 

As a final note,  we have some very sad news to report. The legendary journalist and author David Talbot suffered a near-fatal and deeply debilitating stroke yesterday, leaving him entirely unable to write, to speak, or even to really minimally function. It's perhaps a permanent state of debilitation. 

I first got to know David Talbot because he was the founder of Salon.com, which I know it's hard to believe but was actually a truly innovative and interesting online journal at the time that he founded it, back in 1998. One of the very first, if not the first, online political journals on the Internet. Writing at Salon, in 2007, was actually the first journalism job I ever had. It was the first place that hired me after I was writing up my blog and I got to know him somewhat. Then he was not really at Salon so much, but he was still the founder and so I got to know him, really liked him, and respected him. 

But even more importantly for me, Talbot is the author of what I really regard, as I've said many, many times, as the single best and most important history of the U.S. Security State in the post-World War II era. 

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“The Devil's Chessboard Allen Dulles, the C.I.A. and the Rise of America's Secret Government” does describe how our democracy ended up with this permanent faction of a secret government within our government that has no accountability. This book was incredibly influential in my understanding of how our democracy ended up being saddled with those kinds of people, and that kind of agency. It is a book I have highly recommended many times on this show, on our Locals program and in my personal life, because I really believe that it's vital reading.

We had David Talbot on our show in November of last year, and the interview was every bit as illuminating, as I expected it to be. We have a short video that I just want to show you, mostly to honor David Talbot, but also to, again, encourage you to really get this book if you haven't yet read it.

 

 (Video. System Update 175. November 2023)

 

David Talbot: […] One of the taboo topics in this country, in the United States, is the assassination of President Kennedy, which happened almost sixty years ago. Still, at this late date, the media refuses to, I think, seriously consider the possibility that elements of the U.S. government killed the president. 

Now, why do I think the killing and the cover-up were organized by Allen Dulles? And by the way, I have a long chapter in my book called “The Power Elite”. Allen Dulles would never have acted on his own against the president […]

 

I should say the main topic of his book is not the JFK assassination. He traces the unbelievable and secret power exercised by the Dulles brothers, Allen Dulles, who was the head of the CIA until John Kennedy fired him over the Bay of Pigs invasion, and his brother, John Foster Dulles, who served as Secretary of State under President Eisenhower. And those two brothers basically ran American foreign policy, but in secret. And then Talbot is sort of taking that proven history and using it to apply it to and question what happened with JFK. Obviously, Allen Dulles hated JFK who fired him. And here's what he had to say. 

 

David Talbot: […] Allen Dulles would never have acted on his own against the president  – whom he despised. He always acted on behalf of his wealthy and powerful clients. And I believe that Allen Dulles was not alone in doing this, that he was backed by people who are very powerful in the national security state and on Wall Street where he'd spent most of his career. So, Allen Dulles was head of the CIA and he was, as you say, fired by President Kennedy after the disastrous invasion of Cuba in April 1961. He was given a medal by President Kennedy and was ushered honorably out the door. But he despised the president for firing him. He couldn't believe that this young, untested president had the temerity to fire someone as senior as him, someone as powerful as him. I believe that he turned his house in Georgetown, the neighborhood in Washington, into an anti-Kennedy operation. High-level CIA operatives and deputies continued to report to Allen Dulles in the months and years after his firing, including James Angleton and Richard Helms, who later became head of the agency. I think John McCone, who was put in charge of the agency by President Kennedy, was a figurehead. He didn't know what was going on. The people who really understood how the CIA operated were still in charge. Allen Dulles was still in charge – and his deputies.

 

And, of course, he goes on to explain the amazing fact that when it was time to form the Warren Commission to investigate what happened with JFK's assassination, one of the people who was put on the commission was Allen Dulles, even though a lot of people at the time were wondering whether the CIA was involved, given the CIA is incredibly powerful. History now. Talbot admitted in this part of the interview, but also in that last chapter of his book on the JFK assassination, that this was not proven, but he was given informed speculation. But the really valuable part of the book that is not in any way speculative is the way in which the CIA began as this relatively small and limited part of our government but, like all agencies that have unaccountable power, it grew and grew and grew and grew leading Dwight Eisenhower on his way out to warn of the unaccountable and growing power of the military-industrial complex. And this was before the Vietnam War, before the War on Terror, before all the wars of the last 10, 15 years, or so. When you read this book, you’ll really understand how this part of the government not only formed but grew to the point where nobody controlled it. 

Despite that work, David Talbot lived until the stroke with a very modest income. He was the sole provider for his family. They're navigating an extremely difficult time emotionally and also financially. 

There is a GoFundMe page that has been set up by his family entitled Help David Talbot after a severe stroke. It talks about the financial difficulties they are now facing including housing and even some uncovered medical costs.

If you can donate, a modest donation, that will obviously be of great help to David Talbot and his family, the link to that GoFundMe page will be at the bottom of the notes to our show. We wish him and his family the fastest and most complete recovery possible. 

 

So, that concludes our show for this evening. 

 

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Then, we’ll comment on Trump’s lengthy tweet attacking Brazil for its ongoing prosecution of former Brazilian president Jair Bolsonaro, during the BRICS Summit being held in Rio de Janeiro. This was something we were going to cover last night and didn't have time to, but we will tonight. Brazil's President Lula da Silva quickly responded, very defiantly, by basically telling Trump to mind his own business. 

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Last night, we covered quite extensively the decision by the Trump Justice Department, not even six months into the administration, to completely shut down and close and stop all investigations into Jeffrey Epstein, as well as announcing that there will be no further disclosures of any documents of any kind, that whatever they've released so far, which has basically been nothing – not basically, has been nothing – is all you're going to get. 

This is a blatant betrayal of multiple promises made by key Trump officials over the last four years, before they were in the White House, but was also a complete 180 in terms of what key Trump influencers and pundits had been saying, including several pundits who are now running the FBI, such as Kash Patel and Dan Bongino, as well as the Justice Department, including Pam Bondi. 

We even showed you an interview that Alina Habba, the Trump attorney who is now the U.S. attorney for New Jersey, appointed by Donald Trump, did with Pierce Morgan while she was in the government, just in February, where she claimed they have a whole bunch of very incriminating lists with shocking names. She said there's video and there are all kinds of documents that are shocking, in her words, and she said they're going to be released over time because we've gone long enough where people who do these sorts of things, including are involved in the Epstein scandal, have no accountability. She said that is ending with the Trump administration. There's going to be accountability. 

Yesterday, the Trump Justice Department said, “No, there's nothing here. We looked. There's no such thing as a client list.” We know we've been promising and that JD Vance repeatedly said, “Where's the client list?” Donald Trump Jr. said, “Anyone hiding the client lists is a scumbag.” Dan Bongino, Kash Patel, Pam Bondi accused Biden officials of basically covering up predatory pedophilia by refusing to release the Jeffrey Epstein client list. Now, they're saying there's no client list, that thing we've been talking about and accusing Biden officials of hiding and promising to disclose, that doesn't exist. 

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One of the most significant scandals among MAGA pundits and operatives within pro-Trump discourse generally over the last four years has been the one involving Jeffrey Epstein. 

Now, in less than five months, the DOJ announced today, the one under Pam Bondi, that they are closing the investigation, given the certainty that they say they have that Epstein had no client list. There's no such thing as an Epstein client list, he never tried to blackmail anyone and no powerful people were involved whatsoever with his sexual abuse of minors. They also say that he undoubtedly killed himself: there's no question about that. 

All of this is such a blatant betrayal of what was promised all of these years, such that all but the most blindly loyal Trump followers – like the real cult numbers, a lot of them almost certainly paid to be that – are reacting with understandable confusion and anger over what happened today and over the last several months. We'll delve into all of this and what this means. 

Then, Secretary of State Marco Rubio announced today that the group that al-Golani once led, long known as al-Qaeda's affiliate in Syria, is no longer officially a designated terrorist group. This is al-Qaeda. We'll explore what all of this shows about the utterly vacant and manipulated propaganda terms, terrorist and terrorism. 

As a note, we did not have enough time, so we’ll talk about President Trump’s tweet attacking Brazil and its government, on the day of the BRICS Summit in Rio de Janeiro, some other time soon.

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Earlier today, the Justice Department issued a statement, essentially announcing that they no longer consider any of the questions surrounding what had long been the Epstein scandal to be worthwhile investigation; that essentially all of these questions have been answered, that there's really nothing to look into. 

You can read the Justice Department's statement here.

They're saying this client list that most Trump supporters, I would say, have been accusing the U.S. government, of hiding to protect all the powerful people on this list, now, that they're in power – people like Pam Bondi, Dan Bongino and Kash Patel, now they're in charge – they're saying, no, actually there is no client list at all. There's at least no incriminating client list, whatever that means. 

I don't know if there is a client list or not, but according to them, there's no incriminating client list. I don't know how you can have a client list that's not incriminating: to be a client of Jeffrey Epstein seems inherently incriminating. They seem to have said what the White House briefing said today when asked about this, because as we'll show you, Pam Bondi went on Fox News and was asked, “Are you going to release the client list?” And she said, “It's sitting on my desk for review.” 

Trump had strongly suggested he would order it released. Now they're saying, “You know what? There is no client list.” 

So, all these claims that Jeffrey Epstein had recordings of prominent individuals who he invited to his island, who had sex with minors, evidently, there's no incriminating material of any kind that would implicate any powerful person. Just not there, they checked. They checked the storage closets, they looked under the beds, just couldn't find anything. All the stuff they had been claiming was there for years, screaming and pounding the table on podcasts, making a lot of money over it, too, accusing Biden officials of hiding this all for corrupt ends, just not there. They looked, couldn't find it. 

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I don't know if you heard, but there's some breaking news, and that is that tomorrow is July 4, which in the United States is a major holiday. The Fourth of July is the day that we celebrate our independence from the tyranny of the British Crown. Tomorrow we will be taking the holiday off in large part because the appetite for watching political content or political news apps and some big political story on July 4 is quite reduced and so everyone can use a three-day weekend. 

What we usually do on Friday night is the Q&A session, something very important to us and something that we try to do at least once a week because it's one of the main benefits that we believe not only give to our Locals members but also receive from them. 

It's always kind of a hodgepodge, but it always ends up as one of our most interesting shows, we think, throughout the week, one of the shows that produces the best reaction. Since we're not doing a show on Friday, we're going to do it tonight instead. We have some excellent questions. There's one really confrontational question – I was going to say a bitchy question, but I want to be a little more professional in that – let's say confrontational questioning, critical. We're going to try to deal with that one as well. 

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So one of the things that shows throughout the week is that I happen to speak a lot. I analyze things, I dissect things, I read evidence, I show you videos, I talk to guests, I ask them questions. And what we try to do on our Q&A is to be respectful with the question and give an in-depth answer. 

I'd rather answer four or five by giving in-depth answers that I hope are thought-provoking than just speeding through them. I'd rather do a substantive response to four or five than a quick, superficial one to nine or 10. So let's go do that. 

The first one is from @If TruthBeTold and this is what they asked: 

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Well, let's begin with the fact that there is a reasonably effective instrument for preventing foreign interests and foreign lobbies from exerting influence in our country in a way that's stealthy or covert; that’s the FARA registration, which requires foreign agents acting on behalf of other countries to register as such so that everybody knows if they're slinking around Congress, whispering in politicians' ears, asking for legislation on behalf of a foreign government because they've disclosed it. 

And so if you work for the Iranian government, they're paying you to influence members of the legislator, if you do that for Qatar, if you do it for Russia, if you do it for Saudi Arabia – and the premise of the question correct, huge numbers of foreign interests lobby in the United States, you're required to declare that publicly on a FARA registration form and you can go see those, they're publicly available, and you can see who's lobbying on behalf of foreign governments for pay. 

One of the problems is that, for some reason – and you can fill in the blanks here – AIPAC has become exempt from that requirement. AIPAC is a lobbying group that reports to the Israeli government, meets all the time with the Israeli government, and gets funding from Israeli sources. Ted Cruz tried to deny that AIPAC is operating on behalf of a foreign government. Tucker Carlson asked him, “Well, has there ever been a single position that AIPAC has taken that deviates from the Netanyahu government?” and Ted Cruz said, “Sure, they do it all the time.” And Tucker Carlson said, “Oh, that's great. Why don't you name one?” And of course, Ted Cruz couldn't because it never happens, because AIPAC is an arm of the Israeli government trying to exert influence in the United States. 

And yet, for some reason, for a lot of reasons, in contrast to all the other examples I just named, when you have to fill out a foreign agent registration form, people who work for AIPAC or on behalf of the Israel lobby don't. Their claim is, “Oh, we're not lobbying for Israel. We're lobbying for the United States. We just believe that if the United States does everything that Israel wants, that's good for the United States. We're an American group. We're patriotic. We're America first. We just think that America benefits when it does everything that the Israeli government tells it to do.” 

John F. Kennedy strongly advocated and started to demand that the predecessor group to AIPAC register as an agent of a foreign government. He couldn't understand why it didn't have to, alone among all the other groups. And it never ended up happening because JFK's presidency ended when he was killed. 

Again, I'm not drawing any kind of causal link there. I'm not even trying to imply it. I'm just giving you the chronology as to why that never came back. And since then, nobody has ever talked about that. So, that's one thing. The other is that AIPAC is uniquely well-financed in terms of being a lobby operating on behalf of foreign governments. It hides that in a lot of ways, but I'll just give you an example. In the last Congress, there were two members in particular who AIPAC identified as being too critical of Israel. They were both Black members of Congress who represented primarily Black, poor districts, and the rhetoric started to become, which is threatening to AIPAC, ‘Wait, why are we sending billions and billions and billions of dollars to Israel when Israelis enjoy things like better access to health care and more subsidies for college than our own citizens do, when millions of Israelis have better standards of living than millions of people in the United States, including in my district? Why are we sending the money there instead of keeping it at home and improving our lives? 

Two of the people they identified as highly vulnerable were Jamaal Bowman and Cori Bush. I've certainly had criticisms of both of them, particularly Jamaal Bowman, but also Cori Bush – but that's not why AIPAC was interested in moving them from Congress. They poured $15 million – $15 million into a single house district in a Democratic primary – they found this Black politician in St. Louis to challenge Cori Bush, who promised to be an AIPAC puppet, and he has kept his promise. Wesley Bell is his name. He should put AIPAC in the middle of his name because it's much more descriptive of what he is now. And they just removed Cori Bush from Congress and put in this person who is basically the same as Cori Bush, except he loves and worships and devotes himself to Israel, never criticizes it. 

They did the same with Jamaal Bowman. They got George Latimer, who's white, but he was a county executive known in the district, and they poured $15 million into that. I don't know of any other interest group on behalf of a foreign government that has not just the ability, but the brazenness, the willingness, to be so open about destroying people’s careers in Congress that they're not sufficiently loyal to a foreign government. 

So the question is, well, what's the solution? Are you more willing to consider the problem of money in politics? I've never doubted the problems of big money in politics. I've always recognized that there are massive problems with huge amounts of money in politics. The founders did as well. They were capitalists. Obviously, they weren't opposed to financial inequality. They were often very rich themselves, property owners and the like, but they also warned that massive inequality in the financial realm can easily spill over into something they did want to avoid, which is inequality in the political realm or the legal realm. And clearly that's happening. 

The problem is, how do you restrict the expenditure of money for political purposes without running afoul of the First Amendment? Let me just give you an example of what this kind of law would entail. This was at the heart of Citizens United, which was the five-to-four Supreme Court decision in 2010 that invalidated certain amounts of financial campaign finance restrictions on the grounds that it violated the First Amendment. 

Let's say you're a group that wants to improve conditions for the homeless, and you want to bring attention to the problems of the homeless and solutions you really believe in as a citizen; you're just like trying to pursue a political cause that you believe in. You get together a bunch of money from your friends from other groups, you save your money and use that money to publish films, ads and documentaries about which politicians are helping the homeless and which ones are harming them. Then, you also may hire somebody who has influence in Congress, who can get you into doors to talk to members of Congress, to try to persuade them to enact legislation that will help the homeless. If you have laws that say that you can't lobby, you can’t spend money on political advocacy. It's not just going to mean that Israel and Raytheon can't go into Congress or that Facebook and Palantir can't; It's going to mean that nobody can. And that clearly is a restriction on your ability to, not your ability but your right under the Constitution to petition your government for redress, to speak freely about grievances you have against your government. 

I've always thought the better solution than trying to restrict First Amendment rights by eliminating money from politics is to equalize it through public campaign financing. So, if your opponent raises $10 million through billionaire spending or very rich people, the government will match your funds and give you $10 billion. 

We do have matching funds in certain places. We also have a better tradition and culture of small-dollar donors that compete with big-money donors. I mean Bernie Sanders' campaign drowned in money in 2016 because of small donors. AOC has insane amounts of money that largely come from small donors over the internet. Donald Trump had a ton of small donors, in addition to very big ones. Zohran Mamdani, actually, got so much money at the start of the campaign from grassroots donors that he actually asked them not to give anymore because, under the matching fund system of the city, where you can raise money up to a certain level and then they match it, he reached the maximum. He didn't need any more money because he wanted to get the matching funds. 

That has been encouraging; the internet and various fundraising networks enable small donor contributions to a huge amount, making people competitive, who aren't relying on big money. But once you start trying to regulate how people can spend their money for political causes, remember Citizens United grew out of an advocacy group, they were conservative, they produced a documentary, publishing, highlighting and documenting what they believed were the crimes and corruptions of the Clintons before the 2008 election. So, they made a film about one of the most powerful politicians on Earth and it contained information they wanted the general public to see before voting, potentially making her president. And that was, they were told, a violation of campaign finance laws because they were a nonprofit, and under the campaign finance laws in question, corporations, including nonprofits or unions, were banned from spending money 60 days before an election. 

That's why groups like the ACLU and labor unions sided with Citizens United and argued that this campaign finance law, which the court, by a 5-4 decision, overturned, is in fact unconstitutional. People forget the ACLU and labor unions that also would have been restricted, were also part of the urging of the majority decision, even though it's considered a conservative decision. 

I think there are much better ways to equalize the playing field when it comes to lobbying: make AIPAC and all of its operatives and the entire Israel lobby required to register under FARA, just like everybody else does. If they don't, they go to prison, just like anybody else does who doesn't file the FARA forms deliberately or intends to deceive. And then, also, find ways to make the playing field even without telling people, citizens, that they can't spend their money that they earn and that they make on political advocacy, on campaigns to convince the public of certain things against various other candidates. I think there are many better ways to do it than that. 

 

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All right, @TearDrinker asked the following. And this is somebody, I'm quite sure, that if you start crying, he gets so happy, he'll drink your tears. He looks for that. That's who asked this question. So, I think we do have a lot of very noble and benevolent people in our audience but we also have some very dark people in the audience and I think @TearDrinker is one of those. Nonetheless, the question is very good. We all have dark sides, good sides and bad sides. We're very complex. So is our audience. And here's his very good question: 

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I had several people on my show from the start who were vehement opponents of U.S. financing, NATO financing of the war in Ukraine. Jeffrey Sachs was one, John Mearsheimer was another and Stephen Walt was another. We had several people, we had members of Congress, Matt Gaetz and Marjorie Taylor Greene, part of the MAGA movement, Rand Paul as well, RFK Jr., when he was running for president. We had a lot of people but Professor Mearsheimer, Jeffrey Sachs and Stephen Walt in particular were overwhelmingly prescient in predicting what would happen, even though at the time you weren't allowed to say this because if you said this, if you said reality, you would get accused of being a Russian propagandist or pro-Kremlin or all the things they use to smear people who are questioning the prevailing propaganda. Just like we saw in this last war, if you questioned U.S. bombing of Iran or the Israeli attack on Iran, you were accused of pro-Mullahs, loving the Ayatollahs, same thing every time. 

One of the things that they were saying is like, “Look, it doesn't matter how many weapons you give to Ukraine, it does matter how much money you hand to Kiev.” Even if it didn't get all sucked up in the massive corruption that has long governed Ukraine – which of course it will, but let's assume it didn’t, let's just say it was a very honest, well-accounted for country driven by integrity and principle and all the money was used for exactly what it was earmarked for – even if that happened and even if the Ukrainian people were incredibly courageous and they were at the beginning but even so… 

You know, there's a dog behavior that I've seen so many times. If you go to a dog park and two dogs are going to fight and they're on neutral ground, no one owns the dog park, the stronger dog is likely to win. But if you took those same dogs and the weaker dog in the dog park was at home and the stronger one in the park went to the house of the weaker dog, the weaker dog would suddenly become very strong. And typically, I'm not saying in all cases, obviously a Poodle and a Rottweiler, it's going to be the same result, but I'm saying when it's even remotely close, when you're defending your home – and this is definitely true in the canine world, they fight much more passionately, much more aggressively, much more confidently. And I think that's the same for human beings. 

And so the Ukrainians were very feisty, very punching above their weight at the beginning but even so, and all these people on my show said it, and I got convinced, that it was true from the very start, even if everything went right for the Ukrainians, even if you give them everything they want, the simple fact that Russia is so much bigger and that this is going to be a ground war of attrition between two neighboring countries, meant that inevitably Russia was going to win. It might take a year, it might take two years, it might take five years. The only possibility is that the Ukrainian population of young men, and as they expanded the draft, it became middle-aged, young to middle-aged men, were going to be obliterated, were going to disappear and obviously were huge numbers of young Russian men, but they have so many more that they can just keep replenishing them and losing that amount without having any real effect on Russia, which is like a gigantic country. And that's what's happened between the people who were killed in Ukraine, the people who fled and deserted, and there are a lot of them. There's basically a generation of Ukrainian men missing, which in turn means women aren't dating and aren't marrying. It just destroys the whole society.

The last time we really heard any promises that there was going to be a change was in 2023. There was going to be this great counterattack during the summer, like David Petraeus and Max Boot and all the people who promised the same thing was going to happen in Iraq with the surge were they telling us, “No, this counterattack is going to change everything.” It didn't change anything. Russia has maintained the 22%, 23%, 24% of Ukraine that they occupied, and they've been expanding more and more. There's no way to stop that unless you send in NATO troops or U.S. troops to have a direct war with Russia, which would by definition be World War III. 

The EU, has these – I'm going to say they're primarily women and I say that because a lot of left-wing parties in Europe ran explicitly on the idea that they were going to put women in foreign policy positions because women are less likely to be militaristic, warmongering, seeking conflict, they're much more likely to rely on diplomacy to resolve disputes because it's more in the woman nature. This was the feminist argument, a very essentialist and reductive view of how women and men resolve conflicts. 

But instead, you look at these warmongers, and you're up there like Ursula von der Leyen, who's the president of the EU. Nobody elected her. She's a maniac, a sociopath. The foreign affairs minister is the former prime minister of Estonia. It's like a million people. She's now like the foreign minister; she goes around demanding more and more war. And then the Green Party in Germany is the worst. They ran on this feminist foreign policy explicitly. And they have Annalena Baerbock as the Foreign Minister: she sounds like something out of 1939, talking about the glories of war. 

And even with all that, the Europeans are going to send in troops, the Americans are going to send in troops and so the more we prolong this war, the more we destroy Ukraine, the country, and the more we sacrifice the lives of Ukrainians. And that has been the neocon argument. It's like, you don't have to worry. Americans aren't dying. It's the Ukrainians who are dying. Remember, they're not fighting voluntarily. They're conscripted. A lot of them are fleeing, a lot of them are deserting. They just don't have the people to fight. 

Over the last couple of weeks, there have been announcements that the U.S. is going to slow down or stop certain weapons transfers that had previously been allocated under the Biden administration. One of the people who is announcing this, who's deciding this, is Elbridge Colby. You remember that Elbridge Colby was one that the neocons tried so hard to stop his confirmation to the high levels of the Pentagon because his view has long been that we have no interest in a lot of the wars we fight, including in Ukraine, including in the Middle East, we ought to be focusing on China and the Pacific. And neocon groups that obviously want the United States focused on fighting in the Middle East, funding Ukraine, were desperate to keep him out. 

There are a few others. Some of those non-interventionists who made the high levels of the Pentagon, like Dan Caldwell, who ended up getting fired because they fabricated leaks against him that were completely fake. We'll do a show on that one time. But there are still several of them. And so Elbridge Colby, when he announced this policy, like, Look, we were going to ship all these munitions and missiles to Ukraine, but now we can't. The reason we can, and we have gone over this before, is because U.S. stockpiles are dangerously low. We don't have these missiles and munitions to give, at least not consistently with making sure that we have enough in the case we want to fight another war. And the reasons are obvious. We've been sending missiles and munitions and drones and everything else we have to Ukraine and to Israel to fuel their wars. 

Israel has multiple wars, not just in Gaza, but also in the West Bank, in Lebanon, in Syria. It has bombed the Houthis many times and attacked Iran. The United States has been arming and funding and just sending huge amounts of weaponry to Ukraine. And also remember, President Trump re-instituted and escalated President Biden's campaign of bombing the Houthis. And the idea was we're going to obliterate the Houthis. After a month, President Trump got the report and saw how much money we were spending, how many weapons we were using, how much money it was costing, and nothing was really getting done. We were killing a bunch of civilians and not really degrading the Houthis at all. And they told him, “Oh, sir, we just need nine more months.” But he ended it because he saw he was being deceived again. And we're very low on military stockpile, even though we spend three times more than any other country on the planet and more than the next 15 countries combined. 

This was one of the reasons why, although we've been told that Israel and the United States together achieved this massive, glorious war victory, Netanyahu and Trump are war heroes, when Trump called on Netanyahu to be immediately pardoned or have his corruption trial stopped, it was like, “Look, he just, with me, won a historic war.” It's very important for Trump and Israel to insist to people that they won this great war, this historic war, in 12 days. 

The reality is that the Israelis really couldn't fight that war for much longer. You saw with fewer and fewer missiles shot by Iran, not even most sophisticated yet, that more and more of a landing. We don't know the full extent of the damage in Israel because journalists will tell you they were absolutely and aggressively censored by the military from showing any hits on government or military buildings. The only things they were allowed to show were the occasional hits by the Iranians on a civilian building here, a residential building there, to create the false impression that they were targeting and only hitting civilian buildings, but a lot of Israel suffered a lot of damage. President Trump said that himself, that Israel took a huge pounding. They didn't have air defenses any longer. They were running out and the United States couldn't continue to supply them. We were running out of our own missiles that we use to shoot down Iranian missiles. Israel and the United States didn't end to that war at least as much as Iran did because we were so low on our stock files because we're fighting so many wars or funding so many wars. And so the argument of the Pentagon and Elbridge Colby is, “Look, we just don't have these weapons to keep giving to Ukraine. We need them for ourselves. If we keep giving them to Ukraine, we're not going to have any on our own and our priority should be our military and our protection and not Ukraine's.” 

If this were really a difference between Ukraine winning the war, if we give them the weapons as defined by NATO, which was always a pipe dream. However, the definition was expelling every Russian troop from every inch of Ukraine, including Crimea, which the Russians would never ever allow to happen. If it were a difference between Ukraine winning or Ukraine just getting rolled over, then I would say, okay, maybe there's a debate to be had. But the reality is we've been feeding them weapons into the fourth year now. It's four whole years, coming up on four years, three and a half years of not just the United States sending billions and billions of dollars, but also Europe, and Ukraine hasn't been saved. Ukraine has been destroyed. Ukrainians haven't been freed. They've been slaughtered in mass numbers. And that's all that's going to happen if we keep sending weapons there. 

Of course, the Europeans are relying on this fearmongering that Putin is not going to stop with Ukraine. He wants to eat up all of Ukraine. He's demonstrated many times that he's willing to do a peace deal that secures a buffer zone in eastern Ukraine that protects the ethnic Russians who speak Russian and feel they've been aggressively discriminated against by the Kiev government. The people of Crimea and various provinces in the east feel closer to Moscow than they do to Kiev. They identify as Russians and not Ukrainians. So, as long as Russia feels that, A, they can protect those people, and B, create a buffer zone between NATO and the West on the one hand and Russia on the other so it can't go right up to their border, they've always said they're willing to reach a deal. 

And remember, Ukraine and Russia they almost reached a deal at the very beginning of the war that didn't call for the complete sacrifice of Ukrainian sovereignty, but only those kinds of buffer zones or semi-autonomous regions to letting them vote, and that was the deal that Victoria Nuland and Boris Johnson swept in and told Ukraine they can't keep and they wanted this war to be a prolonged war to destroy Russia. So this fearmongering that Putin's going to eat up all of Ukraine and he's going to move to Poland and then he's like Hitler, he's going to sweep through Eastern Europe and then Central Europe, back to Austria and Germany and then is going to go to Paris again, this is idiotic. 

The Russians have had a hard time defeating Ukraine, albeit with, obviously, Ukraine's being aggressively backed by NATO. But even if they weren't, they were willing to do a deal that just provides Russian security. But wars always are raw and fearmongering, and so they've convinced a lot of people if we don't back the Ukrainians, Russia is going to just roll over and take over, annex Ukraine and rebuild the Soviet Union under this kind of view of Greater Russia that Putin supposedly has in mind, the way Israel is actually doing, creating Greater Israel. There's so much evidence that contradicts that, so little evidence that supports it, but at the end of the day, where are these people going to come from who are going to fight on the front lines in Ukraine? There aren't many left. We can drown that country with billions of dollars in weapons and the war is still going to end up the way it's going to end up. You may not like it, it may be sad to you, you may wish it were a different way, but that is just the reality. 

There have been experts saying it very bravely, I mean, Jeffrey Sachs used to go on “Morning Joe” all the time, until he started saying this, and he hasn't been on again. People get booted out of mainstream platforms, they get called all sorts of names, Russian agents, Kremlin propaganda, etc., but who cares? Those people were the ones who were absolutely right, which is why we kept putting them on our show. They were by far the most convincing people. And that is the nature of the war in Ukraine and the U.S. role in it. Even if we wanted to keep supplying the weapons, we simply don't have them because we've been fueling and arming far too many wars: our own, Israel's and Ukraine's. That's what happens. 

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I think this is the third question, and it comes from @BookWench. And this person, I believe, is a wench, self-described, I'm not being insulting, they're a wench. And they really like books. And if you're going to be a wench, I think it’s better to be a well-read wench than some ignorant one. It's a good friend of the show, often asks some really great questions. And here's the one submitted by this wench tonight. 

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She’s talking about our show last night. If you haven't seen it, that's a great summary of it. But we talked about the integration of Big Tech companies like Meta, OpenAI and Palantir increasingly into the media, while at the same time, Trump and big media corporations are reaching all sorts of nefarious agreements about what their coverage should and shouldn't be.

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I'll give you a parallel example to make this point, rather than just addressing this one directly. Oftentimes people focus on what words apply, like what inflammatory words apply, what shocking or extreme political jargon applies, and even if that jargon is important, even if it has fixed meaning, even if deserves to be applied, traditionally, I've tried to avoid arguments over words or labels because so many people feel so strongly about them that even if they might be open to your argument on the substance and the merits, the minute you use that word, a lot of people just shut off. 

That was why it took me a few months to call what Israel was doing in Gaza a genocide, not because I doubted that the term applied but just because there are a lot of people open to hearing the facts about what Israel is doing in Gaza and seeing how horrific and criminal and atrocious it is, but the minute you use the word genocide, they just kind of instantly turn away from it. I often make the assessment, I'd rather have the channel open for communication than use a word that I know that's just going to close that channel. 

A lot of times, though, it does become necessary to use that term, I don't just mean genocide, but a term that can't have that effect because it's indispensable to understanding the situation. And that's how I came to see the word genocide in Gaza and ethnic cleansing, even more so. You can't really talk about Gaza without talking about that intent. It's not my guess about that; it's based on the statements that the Israelis have made about their war objectives and then their actions that align with it. But in general, I like to avoid those kinds of words. 

Fascism is definitely one of them. I promise fascism is similar to my problem with genocide and there are a lot of other words like this. There are a lot of words that get thrown around that even if they have a clear and fixed meaning, the people throwing them around aren't very capable of defining in a very concrete, specific way what the words mean. Fascism, to me, has almost become colloquial for just, like, Hitler-like or authoritarian or using aggressive racist themes combined with abuse of government power but the word and concept Fascism is a lot more complex than that, and it involves a lot more prongs than that. 

People study fascism for years in universities. There are graduate programs where you study fascism. It's a philosophy, it's an ideology that was developed in a very specific historical context. It ended up shaping the Italian government in the 1930s under Mussolini and then, of course, the Germans; you could argue Franco in Spain also was an expression of it. But I just feel like throwing the word fascism around at Trump or the Republicans, or especially, of all, it means a kind of aggressive authoritarianism. It just doesn't serve any purpose because I think the Biden administration was extremely authoritarian in lots of different ways. I think most administrations of the last 25 years have been. Very few people spent more time vocally, vehemently condemning Bush-Cheney than I did. I wrote books about it, including arguments that they ought to be prosecuted for things they did, spying on Americans without warrants, torturing people and kidnapping them off the streets of Europe. But I don't think I ever called them fascists. Not because someone had studied or done that, would have been offended or argued that it didn't apply, but just because I don't think it helps the conversation any. 

I think one of the worst things the Biden administration did is essentially commandeered the power of Big Tech to control political discourse in the United States, dictating to Big Tech what they ought to suppress and what they are to permit. In doing so, they absolutely warped and suppressed crucial debates about COVID, about Ukraine, about even election integrity that ought to have been aired. One of the things that bothered me about it so much was that you had the government on the one hand and corporate power on the other in the form of Big Tech and the Biden administration was basically annexing the power of Big Tech and corporate power to control free speech. 

I often pointed out that, ironically, the Democrats love to call Donald Trump a fascist, uniting state and corporate power, eliminating the separation between them, where they each have different objectives, sometimes overlapping, sometimes not, but uniting them as one entity working toward exactly the same goal. That was what Hitler did. There was no arms industry that wasn't under the control of the government. There was no private sector not under the control of the government, all working toward a common theme and a common unity. 

That is what's happening here as well as these major corporations like OpenAI, Palantir and Facebook more and more directly and expansively integrate into the military, into the intelligence community, into the government. But there are other factors, other prongs of fascism as well, and people debate it. And so if I were to say that, oh, this is fascism, the Trump government is fascist or the Biden administration is fascist, it might be satisfying to people who want to hear that and who believe that. But for a lot of people, they would just turn that off as Fox junk in the case of Biden or MSNBC junk in the case of Trump, and oftentimes that is what it is, just junk. It's people spewing it without having any idea what those terms mean, just to get maximum emotional catharsis or provoke emotional reactions. 

I would much rather do what we did last night, which is spend 45 or 50 minutes, maybe an hour, however much we spent, showing people exactly what's happening, showing this integration between corporate and state power for surveillance purposes, for military purposes, for intelligence gathering. Talk about the dangers of it in a way that I hope people are open-minded, because we're showing them the evidence. The minute you start using terms that they're kind of inherently going to repel or just recoil from, I feel like I can call it fascism and congratulate myself, but I don't feel like it does much good. I feel like actually does the reverse. If these terms were very clearly agreed to specific meanings that everyone understood, I wouldn't have a problem with using them when they applied, but since they don't at all, I think these words are obfuscated. 

But I did point out last night, and I will say again, that integrating corporate and state power is a hallmark of fascism and whether all the other hallmarks of fascism are present, it's extremely dangerous for the reasons we delved into extensively last night if you want to understand more how we think about that and what we said you can, if you haven't already, check out last night's show

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All right, next question @KKtowas, who says this:

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I don't want to be too cavalier about paraphrasing this. The question did do a good job of describing it. I'd rather show the actual words. If you haven't heard it, it's really worth watching. I definitely understand why it provoked this question. 

So, let me focus on the part that I do actually feel comfortable paraphrasing, which is Ross Douthat did ask Peter Thiel, “Do you favor the continuation of the human race? Is this something that you actually think is a good thing?” 

Elon Musk has been asked this before. Part of what Elon Musk wants to do is make sure humanity is multiplanetary, starting with life on Mars. A lot of people think, ‘Oh, you must think that's because humanity on Earth is doomed; otherwise, why is it so important to you to make humanity multiplanetary?’ There are other reasons why you might, but that's a suspicion, and not just to make it multiplanetary because the Earth is doomed, but also to transform what it means to be human. 

This kind of philosophy has been popular among these more extreme Silicon Valley types of Transhumanism, something that transcends humanity or fundamentally transforms it. Typically, I think merging humanity with technology or with a machine for a superior being, it's definitely how a lot of them think of artificial intelligence. I, one time, got a root canal, which I hate as much as anybody – I think I hate it more, but probably everyone hates it equally – but one of the only good things about it is that it lasts for two hours. I have the time to sit and listen to podcasts that ordinarily I wouldn't have time to listen to, or the inclination, just because I have to have my brain distracted. I can't, even if my mouth is totally numb and I don't feel it. I don't like hearing what the dentist is doing. I don't want to think about what tools he's using and why. There's almost no job I'd rather have least than being a dentist and just constantly being in someone's mouth every day looking at their teeth. But whatever. So, I try to distract myself and one of the ways I did so is I listening to Mark Zuckerberg's appearance on Joe Rogan. He was talking at length about his vision that soon we're going to take all these devices, virtual reality devices and AI devices, and they're no longer going to be exterior instruments that we wear, like Googles on our head or phones or earpieces or things in our phone. It's going to be part of our anatomy. He was talking about drilling into brains in order to have this technology part of the human brain, and at first he said the first use is going to medical, somebody has a neurological injury or some other serious neurological problem, this machine will help them with that functionality. But critically, he was talking as well about an ultimate merger between technology and human beings, which in one way may not change the nature of human beings in the beginning. It's just kind of another instrument. You can imagine this earpiece. Say you wear an earpiece of the kind people commonly use now to listen to things on a computer, connected by Bluetooth to their phones. Does it really change humanity if, instead of just having this come in and out, it's just now implanted in our ears? Does it change humanity? Well, when you start talking about the brain and changing how our brains think and produce thought, or having AI be the future of what a human being should be, but in a spiritual form, that's clearly transhumanistic. That's transforming what a human being fundamentally is. 

There are all kinds of questions that come with that. If you believe in a soul, does this have a soul? And the way Mark Zuckerberg was so cavalier in talking about it, I found very creepy. 

Let me just say one thing. I think the question referenced that Peter Thiel stuttered when he answered and kind of had big pauses. Peter Thiel always does that. The reason is – and he's talked about this before, he's autistic – and that means you don't have the same capacity for social interaction. 

One of the things he said that I found super interesting was what he thinks the benefit of being autistic, not severely autistic, where you aren't verbal, can't interact with people at all, but somewhere on the spectrum of where he places himself. When you don't have autism and you're very clued into social cues – and we are social and political animals, we do interact as groups, we are not solitary beings – that if you're so aware of social cues and you're constantly receiving what social cues are, in a way it's making you more conformist, kind of morphing you into society, you understand what society expects of you, you understand what the society thinks, you understand what you're supposed to say in most situations. And he was saying that that can really make you conformist. It can kind of just make you part of this blob. Whereas he sees his autism as almost a gift because feeling detached, excluded, or isolated from majoritarian societal sentiments, ethos and mores forces you to see things differently, to look at things differently. And then that, of course, is the kind of thing that can lead to innovation and invention. Steve Jobs was not autistic, but he actually has said in interviews, people don't talk about this, but it's so true, that had he not taken LSD and had experience with other hallucinogens, he never would have invented the iPad or various Apple products, that it was that kind of transcendent thought that enabled him to have this vision that he otherwise wouldn't have had. On some level, mind-altering drugs can be analogized to autism and so, yes, Peter Thiel stutters; he stumbles. Oftentimes, it seems like he's sweating or having difficulty answering the question, but in reality, it's autism and the way he speaks. But it does affect how people perceive him. 

Let me show you this clip that the question asked, because I think it's really worth hearing him in his own words. 

Video. Ross Douthat, Peter Thiel, TikTok.

Let me say a couple of things about this. People who think about changes in the future are often looked at as strange and weird because generally, the future is something we can't really imagine. 

I remember when I was young, I'm still young, but I remember when I was younger, when I was a child, and I used to go visit my grandparents. My grandfather was born in 1904. My grandmother was born in 1910. I spent a lot of time over there when I was younger and I constantly thought about how bizarre it was that they were born into a world that didn't have airplanes, didn't have radio, didn't have television, didn't really have phones and then during their lifetime, like all this technology that previously had been considered unthinkable – how is something going to fly in the air over the Earth? How are people going to talk to each other using weird connective machines? Or television that started off black and white and then became color, or film that started silent and then became with audio. All these things were unthinkable at the beginning and I kept thinking how strange to be born into a world where this unthinkable technology didn't exist, and then suddenly it arrives, and it just changes your world. All those technologies, obviously, had a major effect on the world. Then I had my own experience. I was born in 1967. I was 24, 25 when the internet started really being something that I used in my life, and, obviously, that's a major transformative innovation. If you had thought about the internet before it happened, it would seem inconceivable; people who describe the future in ways that seem inconceivable always come off as very strange and weird. So, I think we ought to acknowledge that. 

But I want to say two things on the other side, as kind of big caveats. One is the idea of a billionaire; until you really interact with billionaires, it's hard to explain what they're like, and I've had pretty close interactions with many of them. Obviously, I founded a media company with one of them, Pierre Omidyar, who I think is worth like $12 billion or whatever. A lot of other people in Silicon Valley whom – I've gotten to know some – ‘being rich’ doesn't describe that, like the amount of wealth that you have, like when you're a billionaire, you don't think of yourself as just rich, you start thinking about what you can do to change the world, change the government, change countries, change culture. It's so much power; it's so much money. 

With power and money comes, in almost every case, being surrounded by sycophants: people constantly flattering you, saying yes to everything that you think, say and want, because power means you can do so many things for people that benefit their lives and if they know that you have that, they're going to want to flatter you so that there's a chance you're going to give those things to them. Obviously, it makes people in that situation so detached from reality and so enamored of themselves just because all their influences tell them that they are brilliant, and that they're a genius and that they see things people don't see. 

Sometimes, that may be true, there are probably billionaires, I guess I know a couple, who I would consider extremely smart, but the majority of them, including ones I've worked with, I can tell you, I'm not going to say they're dumb. They're mediocre. Sometimes they have like an idiot savant skill that turned into a company that just exploded at the right time. Everyone's success has partly some luck. You have to be in the right place at the right time and a lot of these people who walk around thinking they're brilliant and have the power with their billions of dollars to bring those visions to fruition and to convince people that they should, are not even remotely close to as smart as they think. 

So, when they start getting these visions and everyone around them tells them how brilliant they are and everything about their lives is reinforcing their own brilliance, I do think that can be a very twisted and dangerous dynamic. Then there is this very specific billionaire culture, especially the ones that came out of Silicon Valley, that believes that they are the kind of people society ought to progress and evolve and transform into, and that the society just doesn't facilitate that. The society punishes success; it impedes a transformative kind of Übermensch, to use a Nietzschean expression. And they have ideas like they want to just start new societies, they want to buy a country, or buy so much land that it can become its own country and they just create a society from scratch where they're the overlords and they create rules. Obviously it then extends to like, maybe we shouldn't even do it on Earth, let's start our own society on Mars or wherever and it becomes this very utopian and dystopian vision driven by a tiny number of people who have no real pushback or tension between the things that come out of their mouths into their from their brains into their mouths and then try they can try and make reality and have the power to make reality. But a lot of that is, I think very alarming; we ought to be very, very, very skeptical of that, even in the cases where it might be promising. 

A lot of this just depends on what you think. If you're a complete nihilist and atheist, and you just believe everything is just kind of a nihilistic evolution, no purpose, no spirit, no soul, we just keep evolving over millions of years, and human beings are just where we are now, it’s just one stop along the way, and our next destination is something totally different, it probably wouldn't bother you. But if you have a kind of idea of something essentialist about being human that turning us into beings that exist in an AI vat and eliminating us, every part of us, except our intellect, may not be an advancement, that may be a destruction of humanity while maintaining the facade of it, this is the kind of stuff that I think requires a great deal of introspection, a great deal of thought, a great debate involving the whole society. 

But because billionaires have this ability to just push things along with no constraints, AI is just exploding really with no safeguards. I mean, there are some superficial safeguards, like if you use ChatGPT or the commercial ones, they don't let you do certain things that could easily be done, but you can imagine how it's actually being developed. And the people who don't want those safeguards to exist are using AI without those safeguards. None of this is being understood. None of it is being analyzed or studied. 

I'm not an alarmist at all about technology, even including AI. But I think it's more this kind of narcissism and this self-adoration that naturally develops in billionaires that gives them far too much confidence in their own ability to push humanity into directions that they think it should go and really don't need much debate to do it because their brains are sufficiently advanced to make those decisions and see those things on their own and the proof is that they became billionaires. That's how the reasoning works. That, I think, is the most dangerous dynamic rather than the specific things. 

And yeah, when Peter Thiel starts saying, “I'm not sure humanity should continue, okay, I'll say yes, just because you obviously think it's extremely creepy if I don't, but I'm going to add that maybe we should exist in some other form,” I hope people are disturbed by that. I'm not saying necessarily opposed to it, but I hope they're disturbed by it, in a way that they kind of demand some time and reflection in order to consider. 


 

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