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Michael Tracey Reports from the RNC in Milwaukee (Ep. 300)
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July 22, 2024
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Hey, everybody, Michael Tracey here. Glenn is not here – as you may have noticed – instead, it's me, Michael Tracey, because we are at the Republican National Convention. I've never had more fun in my life. I guess I haven't had a very fun life.  

It's the final night. Trump is going to be speaking tonight, we're told. I have no reason to doubt that. But you can never quite predict the future, so we'll have to see, I suppose. 

Glenn is going to be doing a live streaming, allegedly, after the Trump speech. In the meantime, enjoy many of the interviews that we've conducted over the course of the Republican National Convention here in Milwaukee, to repeat myself, lots of hot shots, politicos meandering around thinking they own the place, maybe in a way, they do. We have Marco Rubio. We have, chairman McCaul, one of the big chairmen in the House, asked all these people about, you know, lots of stuff involving topics that are familiar to viewers of the show: Israel, Ukraine, aspects of foreign policy, how would Trump in a second term run foreign policy and the like? So, it's a pretty wide array of different figures. We hope you enjoy it, and, again, allegedly, Glenn will be back sometime later tonight. 


Congressman Marco Rubio (R- FL)

 

M. Tracey: Senator, in your view, has the strategic ambiguity policy vis-a-vis Taiwan outlived its purpose. And what do you anticipate or hope for a second Trump administration to revise that policy for a more explicit commitment to defend Taiwan? 

 

Marco Rubio: That's a complex public policy question that probably doesn't lend itself to the hallway of a convention. Suffice it to say that it is on our national interest to discourage China from carrying out an invasion of Taiwan that would be really destabilizing and not to mention dangerous. 

 

M. Tracey: And one more question. What was your reaction to the Julian Assange plea deal that the Biden DOJ brokered a few weeks ago? Do you view that as a threat to national security? Are you okay with the outcome threat? 

 

Marco Rubio: Not a threat, but unfortunately, you know, we are rewarding terrible behavior. But, I mean, I wasn't a fan of it, but [...]


Congressman Michael McCaul (R-TX)

 

M. Tracey: Hey, Congressman. Michael Tracy with Rumble. So just a couple of minutes of your time. We're with Congressman Michael McCaul, of Texas, chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee. Correct? 

 

Michael McCaul: That's right. 

 

M. Tracey: I didn't even have to Wikipedia that. So, what are the running themes over the course of this Convention, since the dawn of the Trump era has been America First. How is that defined? You were a staunch supporter of the National Security Supplemental that passed in April. Is being a stalwart supporter of, Ukraine, of Israel, of the Indo-Pacific, consistent with America First as you see it? Because, you know, sometimes there's debate about that among even some of the Republican, members. So how do you square that circle? Does it need squaring?  

 

Michael McCaul: Well, I think it is our adversary, foreign adversaries Russia, China, Iran and North Korea. If we allow them to – and they're getting very aggressive under this administration, which is projecting weakness. And that's why you're seeing wars. We wouldn't have seen this with President Trump. But, the fact is, if we allow them to take over territories, that puts America last. And my dad, World-War-II generation, D-Day veteran, you know, they won for the free world against, you know, dictatorship, tyranny, for better, you know, world, America for the next generation that's mine. So that's kind of the worldview that I have. I get the point that people care about back home. And that's 100% right. And I think J.D. Vance is right about that. But at the same time, that doesn't mean we have to be number two overseas. And I think we need to, like Reagan did, project strength and power, overseas, with our allies against our adversaries. 

 

M. Tracey: Do you think in a second Trump administration, there ought to be a revision to the strategic ambiguity concept vis-a-vis Taiwan? Should there be a more direct, overt, policy statement on the part of the United States to come to Taiwan's, defense, in the event that there's some incursion by China? Has (our) strategic ambiguity outlived its purpose?  

 

Michael McCaul: I think that's something we need to be taking a look at to provide deterrence against China. I just came back from Taiwan. I was with the newly elected president. The Chinese encircled the island with battleships and aircraft carriers and a blockade, which would be a prelude to an invasion, what it would look like. So that's something we are taking a look at. You know, the status quo doesn't sound right, but it does keep Taiwan and China from going to war. One of the red lines that China has is if they violate the 1979 Taiwan Relations Act, which calls for that status quo agreement. So, we have to be careful with that, but I think we need to give them, you know, a sign-off on all foreign military sales, $20 billion that Taiwan – we didn't give it to them, they bought it from us – and only half of those have gone into Taiwan. I think we need more of those to go in to provide that deterrence. So, we're going to be talking about a war. 

 

M. Tracey: There are some people in the Republican coalition who at least purport to be skeptics now, maybe, newcomer skeptics of the concept of the military-industrial complex, the derisive way of putting it, but, you know, you're involved in that process by overseeing military sales. Does peace through strength, does it not require pouring endless expenditures in? Some might call them boondoggles for the defense contractors. How do you sort of manage that skepticism that might be burgeoning somewhat within the Republican ranks toward the military contractors right now? 

 

Michael McCaul: You know, I understand that sentiment, but if you don't have a strong military, you know, we spend more percentage of GDP in the 1980s under Reagan than we spend today. I was with the Indo Pacom commander, you know, the admiral talking about the threats in the Pacific, and he doesn't have the resources. A lot of these foreign military sales to our allies and countries we want to be our allies, we can't fulfill those contracts for five years because our defense industrial base has been broken to some extent. This involves manufacturing here at home, 80% of the supplemental on Ukraine goes to manufacturing in the United States, which I think J.D. Vance would agree with and certainly Tom Cotton, I agree with that's a good [...] 

 

M. Tracey: J.D. Vance voted against the Supplemental. 

 

Michael McCaul: I know, I know. But, you know, manufacturing here […] 

 

M. Tracey: So did Marco Rubio, which was a little bit odd, but neither here nor there […] 

 

Michael McCaul: And I think he came back around. You know, Cotton certainly agrees with that premise. And I think that provides deterrence. You know, if you don't, he can have rhetoric but if you don't have the means to back it up, then what good is that? I'll tell you, under Trump, the rhetoric was helpful. I mean, he's told me personally the things when he talked to Putin, Putin knew if he invaded Ukraine, it would come at a high price. Same thing with Chairman XI. He knew with Trump, if he invaded Taiwan, there would be a high price to pay for it. And this President Biden, there's absolutely zero deterrence. 

 

M. Tracey: What is the current U.S. policy vis-a-vis what areas in territorial Russia, Ukraine is permitted to use U.S. weaponry to strike? We were told initially it was just in the Kharkiv area. Then Jake Sullivan seemed to expand the parameters. It's just not well-defined. So, as best as you can tell, what is the current policy, what is the range that Ukraine is permitted to strike using U.S. operational coordination? And how would those constraints that have been imposed by the Biden administration be lifted under the Trump administration? Would they become more stringent under the Trump administration? What's your forecast for that?  

 

Michael McCaul: President Trump's that kind of guy, he would let him take the gloves off, give him everything they need to win. You know, Jake Sullivan has been restricting the Ukrainians from day one with weapons systems. I had to write into the Supplemental, and even now he's restricting their use. The cross border, where all the bases are, where these glide bombs or bombers are coming across. He saw the one that killed the children at the hospital in Kyiv. That's no way to manage a war. And that's one reason the American people are not supportive, if they see it mismanaged like that. My view has always been like, general Jack Keane is like, you either get into win all into one, or get the hell out of there. And Jake Sullivan has completely […] 

 

M. Tracey: The National Security Advisor, if viewers aren't aware. 

 

Michael McCaul: Correct. And I think he's hurting the Ukrainians. I've met with the Zelenskyy’s team and they tell us these restrictions are not allowing us to… I think the goal here is to push the Russians out as far as they can have a cease-fire and a negotiated settlement. My hope is that President Trump will allow that to happen and then call for a cease-fire. And he's a master of the deal. 

 

M. Tracey: Yeah. I don't know if you saw the Policy Paper. Final question. That was, Fred Flights and Keith Kellogg, affiliated with the America First Policy Institute, submitted a policy framework to Trump. And he received the report as far as, you know, certain accounts of it went and I read that Policy Paper, it actually is the diametric opposite of what the conventional media narrative would be around Trump's posture vis-a-vis Ukraine and Russia. Right? It calls for continuing to arm Ukraine. Yeah. It calls for, declaring that Ukraine will never accede to any territorial concessions to Russia. It seems like rather maximalist and not all that different from the Biden administration's, at least their claimed policy. So, are these, supposed differences may be exaggerated at times in terms of how a Republican and a Democratic administration would handle Ukraine? 

 

Michael McCaul: Yeah. When you look at the people around President Trump, certainly one of them, you know, Mike Pompeo is very hawkish. He's very much behind – because if Ukraine loses, the United States loses to Putin. 

 

M. Tracey: On Pompeo, really quickly, my impression is that Pompeo was one of the very few senior administration officials who Trump never had a falling out with, who remained on good terms with him all throughout that first administration. Is that accurate? […] 

 

Michael McCaul: He spent a lot of time with the president and Keith Kellogg, a good friend of mine, he sees it, like I do, like, give them everything they need to win. And, you know, we can't allow them because China can only get Taiwan. And now, you know, the Middle East is on fire. But if you look at the people around him, general Jack Keane, same, same thinking. Robert O'Brien, former national security advisor to President Trump, we all see this same worldview and the same way. And I think that's what's going to matter at the end of the day.  

 

M. Tracey: Finally, what was your reaction to the plea deal that enabled Julian Assange to exit incarceration, he had been there for five years, I think, under Belmarsh, in the UK, actually indicted under the Trump administration. And some deal was brokered to enable him to go back to Australia, did you have a positive reaction to that or a negative reaction to that?  

 

Michael McCaul: I have a worse reaction to what's allowing an Iran prisoner or hostage swap for six innocent Americans and six, you know, Iranian spies and then giving Iran $6 billion. That's, that gives me a lot more heartburn, to be honest. 

 

M. Tracey: What about, I mean, on the merits? What about the Assange development? 

 

Michael McCaul: I haven't followed it very closely, I’ll be honest with you. I know the Wikileaks is a big deal. But, you know, I think a court of laws and verdict should be followed, so. 

 

M. Tracey: All right. Congressman McCaul, thank you very much. 


Nigel Farage (MP from Clacton, UK)

 

M. Tracey: We're with Nigel Farage, newly elected MP from Clacton. So, congratulations on that. 

 

Nigel Farage: Thank you very much. Yeah, it's been a busy day. I was in Parliament this morning for the King's Speech. So, I saw the king this morning with his crown. And here I am this evening in Milwaukee. So, it's been a good day. 

 

M. Tracey: Have you supplanted the conservatives officially yet? I know that was one of your election goals.  

 

Nigel Farage: Yes, it was, and we better start. You know, this is the first important step. I literally had a month at this. We've made a big impact. I know we are going to reconfigure the center-right of British politics in just the same way Donald Trump has done it here in America. 

 

M. Tracey: So, I'm a bit of a connoisseur of British politics myself. One question that came to mind as I was following the most recent campaign was you became a sensation on TikTok. In the United States, there's a controversy about TikTok allegedly being a tool of Chinese espionage. Do you see that as there is any validity to that allegation? How does that kind of dictated or not your use of that particular platform? 

 

Nigel Farage: I'll be honest with you: I was deeply conflicted over it, deeply, deeply conflicted over it and have been for a couple of years. I came to the conclusion that this is what Gen Z does. This is what they do. TikTok is what they do. And whilst I've got concerns about the ownership, and certainly the American authorities of course are looking very hard […] 

 

M. Tracey: Joe Biden signed a bill that, in theory, will prohibit or prescribe TikTok within a matter of months if they don't change ownership […] 

 

Nigel Farage: In theory. Whether it happens, I mean, we'll see, we'll see, we'll see. Look, I'm reaching out to young voters, young people. I've done it partly with passion, partly with humor. You know what? Everybody's jealous of me, so, it works. And, you know, there are things in the world we can't change.  

 

M. Tracey: Yeah. Finally, last question. Many Republican members of Congress who have spoken today believe Trump was spared, the worst of that would-be assassin's bullet, thanks to divine intervention. Did that thought ever cross your mind? 

 

Nigel Farage: I was nearly killed in a plane crash 15 years ago. I shouldn't have survived. I believe in guardian angels. Trump last Saturday had a guardian angel. No question.  

 

M. Tracey: All right, Nigel Farage, thank you very much. 


Congresswoman Lauren Boebert (R-CO)

 

M. Tracey: So, we're with Congresswoman Lauren Boebert, of Colorado. How are you?

 

Lauren Boebert: Hi there. I'm doing fantastic. It is great to be here in Milwaukee at the RNC convention. President Trump, the leader of our party, has been here, has been strong and encouraging. I can't even begin to describe the enthusiasm, the excitement and the passion from the people here at this convention. 

 

M. Tracey: So, Congresswoman, you are one of only 21 members of the House who voted against both the Ukraine Supplemental Funding bill in April and the Israel Supplemental Funding bill. Have you received pushback for the Israel vote in particular? Obviously the pro-Israel is a strong lobby in Washington. Sometimes they do intervene in primary races. What have been the political ramifications, if any, you just won the primary yourself in Colorado. What's the aftermath of that been like? 

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you should also know that I felt it necessary to contact some friends in FSB, and I though did not give them your name. They explained to me in no uncertain terms that especially now , when Russia is trying to bring in outside investors , as you know the economy sucks, and desperately investment that a person that would attempt to blackmail a us businessman would immeditaly become in the 21 century, what they terms . vrag naroda meant in the 20th they translated it for me as the enemy of the people, and would e dealt with extremely harshly , as it threatened the economies of teh country. So i expect never ever to hear a threat from you again.

 

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At their first taped meeting on August 14, 2015, Black repeatedly offered his mistress a payment package of $1 million per year for the next 12 years, plus an up-front investment fund of £2 million for her to obtain a visa to live with her minor son in the UK. But Ganieva repeatedly rejected those offers, instead demanding a lump sum of no less than $100 million, threatening him over and over that she would destroy his life if he did not pay all of it.

 

Black was both astounded and irritated that she thought a payment package of $15 million was somehow abusive and insulting. He emphasized that he was willing to negotiate it upward, but she was adamant that it had to be $100 million or nothing, an amount Black insisted he could not and would not pay.

 

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Over and over, they went in circles for hours across multiple meetings. Many times, Black tried flattery: telling her how much he cared for her and assuring her that he considered her brilliant and beautiful. Everything he tried seemed to backfire and to solidify her $100 million blackmail price tag. (In the transcripts, “JD” refers to “John Doe,” the name the law firm used for Black; the redacted initials are for Ganieva):

 



 

On other occasions during their meetings, Ganieva insisted that she was entitled to $100 million because Black had “ruined” her life. He invariably pointed out how much money he had given her over the years, to say nothing of the $15 million he was now offering her, and expressed bafflement at how she could see it that way.

 

In response, Ganieva would insist that a “cabal” of Black’s billionaire friends — led by Michael Bloomberg, Mort Zuckerman, and Len Blavatnik — had conspired with Black to ruin her reputation. Other times, she blamed Black for speaking disparagingly of her to destroy her life. Other times, she claimed that people in multiple cities — New York, London, Moscow — were monitoring and following her and trying to kill her. This is but a fraction of the exchanges they had, as he alternated between threatening her with prison and flattering her with praise, while she kept saying she did not care about the consequences and would ruin his life unless she was paid the full amount:

 



 

By their last taped meeting in October, Ganieva appeared more willing to negotiate the amount of the payment. The duo agreed to a payment package in return for her silence; it included Black’s payments to her of $100,000 per month for the next 12 years (or $1.2 million per year for 12 years), as well as other benefits that exceeded a value of $5 million. They signed a contract formalizing what they called a “non-disclosure agreement,” and he made the payments to her for several years on time. The ultimate total value to be paid was $21 million.

 

Unfortunately for Black, these hours of misery, and the many millions paid to her, were all for naught. In March, 2021, Ganieva — despite Black’s paying the required amounts — took to Twitter to publicly accuse Black of “raping and assaulting” her, and further claimed that he “trafficked” her to Epstein in Miami without her consent, to force her to have sex with Epstein.

 

As part of these public accusations, Ganieva spilled all the beans on the years-long affair the two had: exactly what Black had paid her millions of dollars to keep quiet. When Black denied her accusations, she sued him for both defamation and assault. Her case was ultimately dismissed, and she sacrificed all the remaining millions she was to receive in an attempt to destroy his life.

 

Meanwhile, in 2021, Black was forced out of the hedge fund that made him a billionaire and which he had co-founded, Apollo Global Management, as a result of extensive public disclosures about his close ties to Epstein, who, two years earlier, had been arrested, became a notorious household name, and then died in prison. As a result of all that, and the disclosures from his mistress, Black — just like his ex-mistress — came to believe he was the victim of a “cabal.” He sued his co-founder at Apollo, the billionaire Josh Harris, as well as Ganieva and a leading P.R. firm on RICO charges, alleging that they all conspired to destroy his reputation and drive him out of Apollo. Black’s RICO case was dismissed.

 

Black’s fear that these disclosures would permanently destroy his reputation and standing in society proved to be prescient. An independent law firm was retained by Apollo to investigate his relationship with Epstein. Despite the report’s conclusion that Black had done nothing illegal, he has been forced off multiple boards that he spent tens of millions of dollars to obtain, including the highly prestigious post of Chair of the Museum of Modern Art, which he received after compiling one of the world’s largest and most expensive collections, only to lose that position due to Epstein associations.

 

So destroyed is Leon Black’s reputation from these disclosures that a business relationship between Apollo and the company Lifetouch — an 80-year-old company that captures photos of young school children — resulted in many school districts this week cancelling photo shoots involving this company, even though the company never appeared once in the Epstein files. But any remote association with Black — once a pillar of global high society — is now deemed so toxic that it can contaminate anything, no matter how removed from Epstein.

 


 

None of this definitively proves anything like a global blackmail ring overseen by Epstein and/or intelligence agencies. But it does leave little doubt that Epstein was not only very aware of the valuable leverage such sexual secrets gave him, but also that he used it when he needed to, including with Leon Black. Epstein witnessed up close how many millions Black was willing to pay to prevent public disclosure in a desperate attempt to preserve his reputation and marriage.

 

In October, The New York Times published a long examination of what was known at the time about the years-long relationship between Black and Epstein. In 2016, Black seemingly wanted to stop paying Epstein the tens of millions each year he had been paying him. But Epstein was having none of it.

 

Far from speaking to Black as if Epstein were an employee or paid advisor, he spoke to the billionaire in threatening, menacing, highly demanding, and insulting terms:

 

Jeffrey Epstein was furious. For years, he had relied on the billionaire Leon Black as his primary source of income, advising him on everything from taxes to his world-class art collection. But by 2016, Mr. Black seemed to be reluctant to keep paying him tens of millions of dollars a year.

So Mr. Epstein threw a tantrum.

One of Mr. Black’s other financial advisers had created “a really dangerous mess,” Mr. Epstein wrote in an email to Mr. Black. Another was “a waste of money and space.” He even attacked Mr. Black’s children as “retarded” for supposedly making a mess of his estate.

The typo-strewn tirade was one of dozens of previously unreported emails reviewed by The New York Times in which Mr. Epstein hectored Mr. Black, at times demanding tens of millions of dollars beyond the $150 million he had already been paid.

The pressure campaign appeared to work. Mr. Black, who for decades was one of the richest and highest-profile figures on Wall Street, continued to fork over tens of millions of dollars in fees and loans, albeit less than Mr. Epstein had been seeking.

 

The mind-bogglingly massive size of Black’s payments to Epstein over the years for “tax advice” made no rational sense. Billionaires like Black are not exactly known for easily or willingly parting with money that they do not have to pay. They cling to money, which is how many become billionaires in the first place.

 

As the Times article put it, Black’s explanation for these payments to Epstein “puzzled many on Wall Street, who have asked why one of the country’s richest men would pay Mr. Epstein, a college dropout, so much more than what prestigious law firms would charge for similar services.”

 

Beyond Black’s payments to Epstein himself, he also “wired hundreds of thousands of dollars to at least three women who were associated with Mr. Epstein.” And all of this led to Epstein speaking to Black not the way one would speak to one’s most valuable client or to one’s boss, but rather spoke to him in terms of non-negotiable ultimatums, notably similar to the tone used by Black’s mistress-turned-blackmailer:

 


Email from Jeffrey Epstein to Leon Black, dated November 2, 2015.

 

When Black did not relent, Epstein’s demands only grew more aggressive. In one email, he told Black: “I think you should pay the 25 [million] that you did not for this year. For next year it's the same 40 [million] as always, paid 20 [million] in jan and 20 [million] in july, and then we are done.” At one point, Epstein responded to Black’s complaints about a cash crunch (a grievance Black also tried using with his mistress) with offers to take payment from Black in the form of real estate, art, or financing for Epstein’s plane:

 


Email from Jeffrey Epstein to Leon Black, dated March 16, 2016.

 

With whatever motives, Black succumbed to Epstein’s pressure and kept paying him massive sums, including $20 million at the start of 2017, and then another $8 million just a few months later, in April.

 

Epstein had access to virtually every part of Black’s life, as he had with Wexner before that. He was in possession of all sorts of private information about their intimate lives, which would and could have destroyed them if he disclosed it, as evidenced by the reputational destruction each has suffered just from the limited disclosures about their relationship with Epstein, to say nothing of whatever else Epstein knew.

 

Leon Black was most definitely the target of extreme and aggressive blackmail and extortion over his sex life in at least one instance we know of, and Epstein was at the center of that, directing him. While Wall Street may have been baffled that Wexner and Black paid such sums to Epstein over the years, including after Black wanted to cut him off, it is quite easy to understand why they did so. That is particularly so as Epstein became angrier and more threatening, and as he began reminding Black of all the threats from which Epstein had long protected him. Epstein watched those exact tactics work for Black’s mistress.

 

The DOJ continues to insist it has no evidence of Epstein using his access to the most embarrassing parts of the private and sexual lives of the world’s richest and most powerful people for blackmail purposes. But we know for certain that blackmail was used in this world, and that Epstein was not only well aware of highly valuable secrets but was also paid enormous, seemingly irrational sums by billionaires whose lives he knew intimately.

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Amazon's Ring and Google's Nest Unwittingly Reveal the Severity of the U.S. Surveillance State
Just a decade after a global backlash was triggered by Snowden reporting on mass domestic surveillance, the state-corporate dragnet is stronger and more invasive than ever.

That the U.S. Surveillance State is rapidly growing to the point of ubiquity has been demonstrated over the past week by seemingly benign events. While the picture that emerges is grim, to put it mildly, at least Americans are again confronted with crystal clarity over how severe this has become.

 

The latest round of valid panic over privacy began during the Super Bowl held on Sunday. During the game, Amazon ran a commercial for its Ring camera security system. The ad manipulatively exploited people’s love of dogs to induce them to ignore the consequences of what Amazon was touting. It seems that trick did not work.

 

The ad highlighted what the company calls its “Search Party” feature, whereby one can upload a picture, for example, of a lost dog. Doing so will activate multiple other Amazon Ring cameras in the neighborhood, which will, in turn, use AI programs to scan all dogs, it seems, and identify the one that is lost. The 30-second commercial was full of heart-tugging scenes of young children and elderly people being reunited with their lost dogs.

 

But the graphic Amazon used seems to have unwittingly depicted how invasive this technology can be. That this capability now exists in a product that has long been pitched as nothing more than a simple tool for homeowners to monitor their own homes created, it seems, an unavoidable contract between public understanding of Ring and what Amazon was now boasting it could do.

 


Amazon’s Super Bowl ad for Ring and its “Search Party” feature.

 

Many people were not just surprised but quite shocked and alarmed to learn that what they thought was merely their own personal security system now has the ability to link with countless other Ring cameras to form a neighborhood-wide (or city-wide, or state-wide) surveillance dragnet. That Amazon emphasized that this feature is available (for now) only to those who “opt-in” did not assuage concerns.

 

Numerous media outlets sounded the alarm. The online privacy group Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) condemned Ring’s program as previewing “a world where biometric identification could be unleashed from consumer devices to identify, track, and locate anything — human, pet, and otherwise.”

 

Many private citizens who previously used Ring also reacted negatively. “Viral videos online show people removing or destroying their cameras over privacy concerns,” reported USA Today. The backlash became so severe that, just days later, Amazon — seeking to assuage public anger — announced the termination of a partnership between Ring and Flock Safety, a police surveillance tech company (while Flock is unrelated to Search Party, public backlash made it impossible, at least for now, for Amazon to send Ring’s user data to a police surveillance firm).

 

The Amazon ad seems to have triggered a long-overdue spotlight on how the combination of ubiquitous cameras, AI, and rapidly advancing facial recognition software will render the term “privacy” little more than a quaint concept from the past. As EFF put it, Ring’s program “could already run afoul of biometric privacy laws in some states, which require explicit, informed consent from individuals before a company can just run face recognition on someone.”

 

Those concerns escalated just a few days later in the context of the Tucson disappearance of Nancy Guthrie, mother of long-time TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie. At the home where she lives, Nancy Guthrie used Google’s Nest camera for security, a product similar to Amazon’s Ring.

 

Guthrie, however, did not pay Google for a subscription for those cameras, instead solely using the cameras for real-time monitoring. As CBS News explained, “with a free Google Nest plan, the video should have been deleted within 3 to 6 hours — long after Guthrie was reported missing.” Even professional privacy advocates have understood that customers who use Nest without a subscription will not have their cameras connected to Google’s data servers, meaning that no recordings will be stored or available for any period beyond a few hours.

 

For that reason, Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos announced early on “that there was no video available in part because Guthrie didn’t have an active subscription to the company.” Many people, for obvious reasons, prefer to avoid permanently storing comprehensive daily video reports with Google of when they leave and return to their own home, or who visits them at their home, when, and for how long.

 

Despite all this, FBI investigators on the case were somehow magically able to “recover” this video from Guthrie’s camera many days later. FBI Director Kash Patel was essentially forced to admit this when he released still images of what appears to be the masked perpetrator who broke into Guthrie’s home. (The Google user agreement, which few users read, does protect the company by stating that images may be stored even in the absence of a subscription.)

 

While the “discovery” of footage from this home camera by Google engineers is obviously of great value to the Guthrie family and law enforcement agents searching for Guthrie, it raises obvious yet serious questions about why Google, contrary to common understanding, was storing the video footage of unsubscribed users. A former NSA data researcher and CEO of a cybersecurity firm, Patrick Johnson, told CBS: “There's kind of this old saying that data is never deleted, it's just renamed.” 

 


Image obtained through Nancy Guthrie’s unsubscribed Google Nest camera and released by the FBI.

 

It is rather remarkable that Americans are being led, more or less willingly, into a state-corporate, Panopticon-like domestic surveillance state with relatively little resistance, though the widespread reaction to Amazon’s Ring ad is encouraging. Much of that muted reaction may be due to a lack of realization about the severity of the evolving privacy threat. Beyond that, privacy and other core rights can seem abstract and less of a priority than more material concerns, at least until they are gone.

 

It is always the case that there are benefits available from relinquishing core civil liberties: allowing infringements on free speech may reduce false claims and hateful ideas; allowing searches and seizures without warrants will likely help the police catch more criminals, and do so more quickly; giving up privacy may, in fact, enhance security.

 

But the core premise of the West generally, and the U.S. in particular, is that those trade-offs are never worthwhile. Americans still all learn and are taught to admire the iconic (if not apocryphal) 1775 words of Patrick Henry, which came to define the core ethos of the Revolutionary War and American Founding: “Give me liberty or give me death.” It is hard to express in more definitive terms on which side of that liberty-versus-security trade-off the U.S. was intended to fall.

 

These recent events emerge in a broader context of this new Silicon Valley-driven destruction of individual privacy. Palantir’s federal contracts for domestic surveillance and domestic data management continue to expand rapidly, with more and more intrusive data about Americans consolidated under the control of this one sinister corporation.

 

Facial recognition technology — now fully in use for an array of purposes from Customs and Border Protection at airports to ICE’s patrolling of American streets — means that fully tracking one’s movements in public spaces is easier than ever, and is becoming easier by the day. It was only three years ago that we interviewed New York Timesreporter Kashmir Hill about her new book, “Your Face Belongs to Us.” The warnings she issued about the dangers of this proliferating technology have not only come true with startling speed but also appear already beyond what even she envisioned.

 

On top of all this are advances in AI. Its effects on privacy cannot yet be quantified, but they will not be good. I have tried most AI programs simply to remain abreast of how they function.

 

After just a few weeks, I had to stop my use of Google’s Gemini because it was compiling not just segregated data about me, but also a wide array of information to form what could reasonably be described as a dossier on my life, including information I had not wittingly provided it. It would answer questions I asked it with creepy, unrelated references to the far-too-complete picture it had managed to create of many aspects of my life (at one point, it commented, somewhat judgmentally or out of feigned “concern,” about the late hours I was keeping while working, a topic I never raised).

 

Many of these unnerving developments have happened without much public notice because we are often distracted by what appear to be more immediate and proximate events in the news cycle. The lack of sufficient attention to these privacy dangers over the last couple of years, including at times from me, should not obscure how consequential they are.

 

All of this is particularly remarkable, and particularly disconcerting, since we are barely more than a decade removed from the disclosures about mass domestic surveillance enabled by the courageous whistleblower Edward Snowden. Although most of our reporting focused on state surveillance, one of the first stories featured the joint state-corporate spying framework built in conjunction with the U.S. security state and Silicon Valley giants.

 

The Snowden stories sparked years of anger, attempts at reform, changes in diplomatic relations, and even genuine (albeit forced) improvements in Big Tech’s user privacy. But the calculation of the U.S. security state and Big Tech was that at some point, attention to privacy concerns would disperse and then virtually evaporate, enabling the state-corporate surveillance state to march on without much notice or resistance. At least as of now, the calculation seems to have been vindicated.

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