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As the Middle East Moves to War, Where are Biden & Harris? What Interest Does the U.S. Have in Who Governs Venezuela? Glenn Returns from South Africa: Why is the Country So Pro-Palestinian?
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August 05, 2024
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Good evening. It's Thursday, August 1. 

As you can see, tonight is a real episode of System Update, as evidenced by the fact that I am here and Michael Tracey is not. But in all seriousness, I think he did a great job. The audience seemed to really appreciate him, nonetheless, I am glad to be back, and I'm certain that you're as well. 

Tonight, it seems as though one says this every other year, or so, but the Middle East is really on the brink of a major escalation. A major regional war from the start of the U.S.-supported Israeli bombing campaign in Gaza back in October, a bombing campaign now in its tenth full month. A major concern has always been that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu actually seeks not only to destroy Gaza, but to use that conflict as a pretext for waging war on all of Israel's enemies in the region, starting with Hezbollah and the Houthis, and then extending, possibly and most disastrously, to Iran itself. We are not that far away from such a dangerous and possibly apocalyptic scenario and whatever else is true, this will not only be an Israeli war but would also be an American war. 

Well, we know this in part because all Israeli wars become American wars, at least, at the very least, to the extent that the U.S. will finance and arm the Israeli war, and we'll protect that war diplomatically and could be far more extensively as well. But we also know that this will become an American war, because the current Secretary of Defense, Lloyd Austin, explicitly vowed when asked about the possibility of an escalated regional conflict, “We will help defend Israel, you saw us doing that in April, and you can expect us to do that again,” referring to when the U.S. actually deployed military assets to interrupt and intercept Iranian missiles shot at Israel. 

While we have heard that statement, that quite significant commitment from Secretary Austin and others as well, who have waited on this obviously significant national security crisis, two people we have not heard from are the sitting president of the United States, Joe Biden, and the sitting vice president and presumptive Democratic nominee for president, Kamala Harris. That conspicuous omission further fuels two vital questions. First, who is actually running the government of the United States right now, meaning, who makes these crucial foreign policy decisions and who would decide the extent of U.S. involvement in this war if it did escalate further? And second, other than abortion and LGBT rights, which we know very well because we constantly hear that she favors, what does Kamala Harris think about the Middle East and about the U.S. support for Israel? What does she think about pretty much every other significant question that would face an American president somehow, even though she's the vice president of the United States and the Democratic president to be, she has not been asked any of that since Joe Biden stepped down and has really not offered any answers on her own. 

Then, Venezuela held national elections over the weekend, and the winner, as declared by government elected officials, was the two-term president, Nicolas Maduro. But in advance of that election, Western officials who oppose Maduro and have long wanted him gone warned that if he won, it would mean that the election outcome is fraudulent. Then, once he was declared the winner over the weekend by officials who were appointed by him and whom he controls, the Western consensus instantly became that there was a fraud, namely that Maduro did not actually win legitimately, but only due to fraudulent manipulation of the election outcome. There is some evidence of that but beyond the question of whether that claim is correct – and we don't actually know for sure, nobody does – the broader and more important question is this: why is the U.S. so interested in the question of who is governing Venezuela? U.S. officials in both parties vehemently denounced Maduro, and many even vowed to do something about it, although it was unspecified what we plan to do. Do we care about Venezuelan elections because, as U.S. officials and their media allies claim, with a straight face, the U.S. simply believes in democracy and freedom and wants everyone in the world to enjoy it? Or are there other reasons worth considering as to what governs and drives U.S. interest, and who governs what is Venezuela? 

And then finally, as I have mentioned on social media and I think I mentioned it before I left, the reason I was not here the last ten days – and Michael Tracey was – is that I was traveling with my family throughout South Africa. That country is beautiful and fascinating in so many ways and I highly recommend anyone considering visiting that you should do so. But another aspect of South Africa that I think is worthy of discussion is that ever since the apartheid regime fell and the country became truly democratized, its leaders from across the spectrum, going back to Nelson Mandela and Bishop Desmond Tutu, have been among the most vocal supporters, most vocal and unyielding supporters of the Palestinian cause. Also, some of the most outspoken critics of the Israeli government and it is, of course, still true, given that the South African government, the current one, brought the first case against Israel charging that country with genocide in the International Court of Justice. It's worth examining why. South Africa has taken such a leading role in expressing support for and solidarity with the pro-Palestinian cause. And I'll share some of what I saw and heard to shed light on what really turned out to be a very consequential national ethos in South Africa regarding Palestine and Israel as well. 

For now, welcome to a new episode of System Update, starting right now. 

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We’ll also talk to the independent journalist Ken Klippenstein, who breaks many stories, genuinely breaking stories on his Substack, where he went after wisely deciding to quit the Intercept last year. He receives many leaks from sources inside the intelligence community – not the official and authorized leaks: those are for Barack Ravid at Axios – but he gets the unauthorized ones from mid-level or even low-level employees of the U.S. Government. 

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With Israel, as always, demanding more. Now, they want the U.S. planes and bombs to destroy Iran's underground nuclear facilities for them. The former Israeli defense minister went on CNN just an hour ago and told President Trump in the U.S. that it's our obligation to fight this war with them. And for them, President Trump has repeatedly opened the possibility of even greater U.S. involvement in the war. 

There are so many aspects of this new conflict worth covering and dissecting –and we will do so throughout the week – but tonight we want to focus on the amazing ease the U.S. government has in convincing its population to support whatever new war is presented to it. Over four years ago, intense war propaganda from the U.S. political class and media persuaded Americans to want to fund and arm the war in Ukraine – a war that is still dragging on with no favorable end in sight – and overnight huge numbers of people in the United States have suddenly become convinced without having ever said so previously that war with Iran is some sort of moral imperative as well as a strategic necessity for the survival of American citizens of the United States. 

No matter how debunked, discredited and disgraced that Iraq war narrative has become, as long as one just waits 20 or 25 years, then, apparently, that same script just works like magic all over again. You just haul it out, fearmongering, and huge numbers of people respond by saying, "Yes, let's go to war, let' kill people." 

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If you're an American citizen as an adult, you have seen the United States repeatedly go to war. Anyone 18 or over has seen the United States involved in all sorts of wars and that's after the Iraq war, which is now 22 years ago. Essentially, if you're American, it means forever, for a long, long time, for many decades, that you are a citizen of a country that's always at war. 

After World War II, there was a very visible and clear pattern, which is that the U.S. government convinces its citizens, enough of them, to support the war at the beginning. They deluge them with war propaganda, which is extremely strong, primal, tribal and enough Americans initially support the war to let the U.S. government politically go and drop bombs or finance some other country to go drop bombs for it. Then, after six months, a year, or two years, or four years, polls show that Americans overwhelmingly oppose the war that they were convinced to support. Going back to the war in Vietnam, throughout the 1980s’ wars, the War on Terror in Afghanistan, in Iraq, in Syria, in Libya, the financing of the war in Ukraine, Israel's destruction of Gaza, bombing Yemin and now this new war that the United States is becoming increasingly involved in, in lots of different ways and we're only on the fifth day.

You just see so many Americans on a dime the minute a new war is presented to them, with whatever pretext can be conjured, even if they're exactly the same pretext that most Americans lived through watching proved to be complete lies the last time it was used in 2003, even though it's exactly the same script, exactly the same pretext, coming from exactly the same people. You can get enough Americans to immediately stand up and start cheering for death and destruction and bombing. Not all, a very substantial minority oppose it, I think if the U.S. overtly gets even more involved in the war in Iran, obviously anything resembling ground troops entering Iran, but even perhaps prolonged bombing of Iran as well through U.S. jets and bombs, as President Trump has indicated and Israel has demanded, maybe some of that will erode, that support will erode. But all that's needed is enough support at the beginning of the war to let the government start it. And once the U.S. government enters the war, it doesn't matter anymore whether the people continue to support it; then it's just already done. All the normal arguments are assembled about why we can't stop, why we can't cut and run, why that would be appeasement, etc., etc. All the same scripts all the time, used over and over, and even though they get proven to be discredited, or unpersuasive, or full of lies, you just use the same ones each time. And that's how the United States stays as a country at war.

We've been hearing a lot of people saying, “Look, I'm happy that Israel is bombing Iran, as long as the U.S. has no involvement in the war, we don't enter it, we don't have to pay for it. As long as it's not our war, I'm fine with it.” But, of course, the entire Israeli military is funded by American taxpayers. Every time Israel has a new war, the weapons that it uses come from the United States, transferred to Israel. We pay for their wars, we arm their wars, we support diplomatically those wars and we use our military assets every single time and our intelligence apparatus to support and enable the war, as the United States is already doing. We already have multiple new U.S. military assets ordered to the region by President Trump. They're already active in protecting Israel from retaliation. President Trump openly said that he is considering the possibility of involving the U.S. even more directly in this war with Iran: "We're not involved in it. It's possible we could get involved. But we are not at this moment involved," the president said. (ABC News. June 15, 2025.)

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Then there's the question of the role of the United States and President Trump in all of this. News reports from both the U.S. and Israeli media suggested this morning that Trump was working hand-in-hand with the Israelis to pretend that he was still optimistic about a diplomatic resolution with Tehran, but did so only as a ruse to convince the Iranians that Trump intended to restrain Israel and thus lure Iran into a false sense of security when, in fact, Trump was not only green-lighting the attack but actively working with the Israelis to launch it. President Trump's own statements today proudly boasting of the success of the attack, along with his own concrete actions such as ordering U.S. military assets into position to yet again defend Israel, strongly bolster those reports and clearly indicate a direct U.S. involvement in this war between Israel and Iran, a U.S. involvement that already exists and will almost certainly continue to grow over the next few days and perhaps few weeks and even months. 

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