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Interview with Brendan Carr: FCC Commissioner on Western Censorship Regimes
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Brendan Carr is a former communications lawyer. He now serves as a Trump-appointed commissioner on the Federal Communications Commission, which is the federal agency charged with regulating media and communications. Unusually for an FCC commissioner, he has been quite outspoken about several matters of public debate, including his opposition to Big Tech's censorship, which he has been very steadfast on. The censorship specifically imposed around the COVID-19 discourse and, most recently, in opposition to the decision by one judge in Brazil to ban X in the entire country due to its failures to comply with a variety of unjust censorship orders. He has also, at the same time, been one of the leaders urging the banning of TikTok on national security grounds. And he played a very important role in all these issues. He's not a pundit, he's an actual commissioner of the FCC, and for that reason, we are excited to speak with him tonight. 

 

G. Greenwald: Mr. Carr, welcome to our show. It's great to speak with you. Thanks for coming on. 

 

Brendan Carr: Yeah. Thanks so much for having me and thanks for all your work over the years. Really appreciate your insights and perspectives. 

 

G. Greenwald: Yeah, I feel very much the same way. So, let me start by asking you, what is it that motivated you? Usually, FCC commissioners are pretty obscure. They're regulators. They're people who work in behind-the-scenes agencies. You've decided to kind of use this platform to speak out principally in defense of free speech and in opposition to Big Tech censorship, online censorship from wherever it comes from. What motivated you to do that and what is it that the FCC can do about that? 

 

Brendan Carr: Yeah, it's a good question. At the FCC, there are five of us that are commissioners. Three are of the president's party. So, anyway, three are Democrats. You have two that are Republicans. As you noted, I was originally nominated by President Trump, back in 2017, and was actually renominated by President Biden last year. You have to have Republicans on the commission. And so, every commissioner is independent, we are outside of the administration. That gives us a lot of freedom and leeway to pick and choose the issues that we focus on and one of them that I've been very focused on over the years is this really sort of recent or last couple of years surge in censorship. We see it domestically in the U.S. and we see it abroad as well. 

I think one of the first times I think you and I crossed paths was when a number of Democrats in Congress were writing letters to cable companies urging them to drop Fox News and Newsmax based on the political perspectives of the newsrooms there, we saw other efforts where there was a license transfer of a radio station in South Florida going to perceived conservative buyers, and Democrats wrote the FCC and suggest that we should block it on that basis. And so, I've tried to sort of speak out where I see that taking place. Recently, in Brazil, it fits that we can unpack it, it's part of this global surge in censorship but also I think it's a really concerning authoritarian trend in Brazil that should give businesses across the board a lot of concern. This isn't just about Elon Musk. It's not just about failing to have a registered agent. There's something happening here that we can impact that I think, as Bill Ackman said, is putting Brazil on the path to becoming uninvestable. 

 

G. Greenwald: I definitely want to delve a little bit more into the Brazil case. Obviously, as I'm sure you know, we are based in Brazil. It's kind of amazing that if we want to watch our own show or transmit our own show on Rumble, which is no longer available in Brazil for similar reasons, we have to use a VPN to do it, obviously have to use a VPN to everyone to access apps, even though somehow this judge invented a law that is now a criminal offense to do so and you have to pay $9,000 a day if you are caught doing so. But, you know, for those of us who have lived with the Internet for a long time, who remember its emergence in our lives in sort of the incipient stages, the key attribute of the Internet that made it so exciting and innovative as technology was that it was free, meaning you could speak anonymously, or under your own name, you could have privacy on it, no one could surveil you or find you or trace you and most importantly, no centralized corporate or state power could regulate the kinds of things that you could say it was that the innovation was this was going to be an instrument to enable citizens around the world to trade information, to talk to each other, to organize, to transmit information without having to rely on big media corporations and without having to be subject to government approval. I think the Internet was that for quite a long time. In your mind, when did this censorship ethos or system begin to emerge as a system, and what is it that you think caused it? 

 

Brendan Carr: I think you're exactly right. I think if you go back to 2012, there was a real rise in free speech on the Internet. In fact, President Obama went to Facebook's Silicon Valley headquarters back in 2012 and gave a speech where he said the free flow of information on the Internet is key to, in his words, “a healthy democracy.” Then, flash forward 10 years, and a few short miles down the road, President Obama gave a speech, in 2022, at Stanford, and he talked about the threats that come from the free flow of information and talked about it as being a potential threat to democracy. So, if you look at the bookends of 2012 to 2022, something very fundamental, as you noted, has changed. We used to view free speech on the Internet – in fact, America itself, whether it was free speech over any modern means of communication, Radio Free Asia – we embraced free speech during a lot of the sort of 2010 and 2012 global unrest and we viewed it as a tool to take down authoritarians. And then I think something happened in 2016, right around Brexit, right around the election of President Trump, there's a very clear shift that people said, you know what? Maybe this free speech on the Internet thing is not compatible with the outcomes that we want to see at the ballot box. And so, something has changed fundamentally. All of those powers that were applied to promote free speech, to undermine authoritarian regimes have sort of turned those jets into reverse. I think you're seeing globally the lack of control over free speech and, again, going back even further, the modern-day op-ed launched on the pages of The New York Times, in the 1970s, and there was an editor at the time, John Oakes, and he said “Diversity of opinion is the lifeblood of democracy; the moment we insist that everybody think the same way we do, our democratic way of life is in jeopardy,” of course, flash forward now 50 years and your Times op-ed page, you know, had people fired over running a free speech piece, the Tom Cotton op-ed. So, I think you put your finger on it. There was a first generation of free speech, of empowerment on the Internet and these established gatekeepers now are working hard to get control of it, Brazil is the latest example. 

 

G. Greenwald: Yeah. Another thing The New York Times does, by the way, is they play a very agitating activist role in demanding and then punishing Big Tech companies if they don't censor enough, they'll publish stories – “Facebook allows neo-Nazis” – and this is all designed to demand that either you censor more the types of opinions that we want or we think is disinformation, or we're going to accuse you of having “blood on your hands” or are allowing all this “hate speech” to flourish. 

One of the controversies over the last couple of years, and this is most certainly central to your critique of the censorship around COVID-19 has been this continuous communication from the government under the Biden administration to the Big Tech platforms, encouraging, coercing, demanding, hectoring, threatening that certain types of dissent, certain types of information that the government, in its judgment, has decreed to be false or harmful or hateful or whatever, be censored. And obviously, the U.S. government has a lot of leverage over these Big Tech companies to force that to happen. It's not just an option or a suggestion, it's something far greater than that. As two courts have ruled before the Supreme Court threw it out on standing grounds. But the people who will defend that will say, look, the U.S. government does have a legitimate role in conveying to Big Tech companies information that they think is false or harmful, information that they think is coming from a foreign government that's disinformation designed to destabilize our government. What's your view on the legitimate role, if any, of the U.S. government to communicate their concerns to Big Tech companies about certain kinds of speech that's being permitted? 

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So, I'm really glad that this is one of the questions that we got today because this is a point I've been arguing for so long. So, let me just try to give you as many facts as I possibly can, facts that seem to be confirmed by law rather than just circulating on the internet. 

So, the suspected killer is somebody named Robin Westman, who is 23 years old. After they shot 19 people inside this church, killing two young children, they then committed suicide with a weapon. The person's birth name is Robert Westman, and around 16 or 17 years old, he decided that he identified as a woman, went to court, changed the legal name from Robert to Robin, and began identifying as a trans woman, so that obviously is going to provoke a lot of commentary, and there's been a lot of commentary provoked around that. We will definitely get to that. 

 

The suspected killer also left a very lengthy manifesto, a written manifesto which they filmed and uploaded on a video to YouTube, along with showing a huge arsenal of guns, including rifles and pistols and some automatic weapons. I believe various automatic rifles as well. I don't think they used any of those weapons at school. I believe they just used a rifle and a pistol, if I'm not mistaken. But we'll see about that. 

It was essentially a manifesto both in written terms, but then they also wrote various slogans on each of these weapons and various parts of the weapons. And we're going to go over a lot of what they put there because there's an obvious and instantaneous attempt, as there always is, to instantly exploit any of these shootings before the corpses are even removed from the ground. And I mean that literally. The effort already begins to inject partisan agenda, partisan ideology, ideological agendas to immediately try to depict the shooter as being representative of whatever faction the person offering this theory most hates or to claim that they're motivated by or an adherent of whatever ideology the person offering the theory most hates. And it happens in every single case. 

Oftentimes, there's an immediate attempt to squeeze some unrelated or perhaps even related agenda in and out of it instantly. Liberals almost always insist that whenever there's a mass shooting, it proves the need for a greater gun control without bothering to demonstrate whether the gun control they favor would have actually stopped the person from acquiring these weapons in the first place, whether they were legally acquired, whether they could have been legally acquired, even with gun control measures, it doesn't matter, instantaneously exploiting the emotions surrounding a shooting like this to try to increase support for gun control. Whereas people on the right often do the opposite. 

On the right, they typically will argue that more guns would have enabled somebody to neutralize the shooter more rapidly, that perhaps churches and schools need greater security. We need more police. So, there's that kind of an almost automatic and reflexive exploitation again, almost before anything is known, but there is an even more pernicious attempt to instantly declare that everyone knows the motives of the shooter, that they know the political outlook and perspective of the shooter. They know their partisan ideology and their ideological beliefs in an attempt to demonize whatever group a person hates most. 

This is unbelievably ignorant, deceitful and ill-advised for so many reasons. The first of which is that every single political action, every single ideological movement, produces evil mass shooters. For every far-leftist mass shooter that you want to show or white supremacist mass shooters that you want to show, you can show people who have murdered in defense of all kinds of causes. And so even if you can pinpoint the ideology of the shooter on the same day the shooting happened, I mean, you can develop a clear, reliable, concise and specific understanding of the shooter that you never even heard of until four hours ago, but you're so insightful, your investigative skills are so profound, that you're able to discern exactly what the motive of this person was in doing something so intrinsically insane and evil as shooting up a church filled with young school children. 

The idea that anyone can do that is preposterous on its face. I mean, the police always say, because they're actual investigators, actual law enforcement officers who want to collect evidence that stands up for public scrutiny and also in court, “We don't know yet what the motive is; we're collecting clues.” But almost nobody on Twitter or social media or in the commentariat is willing to say that. Everybody insists immediately, no, the killer was motivated by the other party, the opposite party of the one I'm a member of, or this ideology that's not mine, or in this religion that is the one I like the most to demonize. It's just so transparent and so blatant what is being done here. And yet it's so prevalent. 

I mean, you could go on to social media and principally the social media platform where the most journalists and political pundits, influencers and the like congregate, which is X, and I could show you probably 40 different theories offered definitively with an authoritative voice. Not like, hey, this might be possibly the case, but saying clearly, we know that the killer was motivated by this particular ideology, this particular set of beliefs. And I'm not talking about random X users, I'm talking about people with significant platforms, people who are well-known. 

I could probably show you 40 different theories like that, where every person is purporting to know definitively exactly what the motive of the shooter was and by huge coincidence they all have latched on to whatever ideology or faction or motive most serves their own political worldview to demonize the people with whom they most disagree, or whatever ideology or group of people they most hate. That's always what is done. And I guess in some cases, if a shooter leaves a particularly clear and coherent manifesto, and we have had those sometimes, we have had Anders Breivik in Norway, who made it very clear that his motive was hatred for Muslim immigrants who shot up a summer camp in Norway. We had the Christchurch, New Zealand killer who attacked two mosques and mass murdered dozens of Muslims at a mosque and made clear he was doing so because it was viewed that Islam is a danger. We had the mass shooter in a Buffalo supermarket, who made manifest their white supremacist views. We've had mass shooters who are motivated by hatred of Christianity, as happened in the Nashville shooter attack on a Christian school there, I mean, I could go on and on. 

As I said, every single political faction produces mass shooters, mass killers, evil, crazy people who use violence indiscriminately against innocents in advance of their beliefs. But most of the time, and you might even be able to say all of the times – I mean, maybe I don't like the phrase all of the times because you can conceive of exceptions, but close to all the time, most of the time, people who go and just randomly shoot at innocent people whom they don't know are above all else driven by mental illness and spiritual decay, not by political ideology or adherence to a political cause. That often is the pretext for what they're doing; that may be how they convince themselves that what they are doing is justified. But far more often than not, the principle overriding factor is the fact that the person is just mentally ill or spiritually broken, by which I mean just a completely nihilistic person who has given up on life and wants to just inflict suffering on other people because of the suffering that they feel or their suffering from delusions. 

And this isn't something I invented today. This is something I've long been saying. And I just want to make one more point, which is, even though there are sometimes manifestos that are extremely clear and say, “I am murdering people in a supermarket that is African-American because I hate Black people and I don't think they belong in the United States,” or “I believe that white people are the sole proper citizens of the United States and I want to murder and kill inspired by those other mass murderers” that I mentioned, even then, it may not be the case that the person's representation of what they're is the actual motive because it could be driven by a whole variety of other factors, including mental illness, or all kinds of other issues to be able to conclude in six hours, even with a crystal-clear manifesto that the person did it for reasons that you're ready to definitively assert are the reasons is so irresponsible. It's just so intellectually bankrupt. 

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