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Exchange with a Longtime Supporter about USAID
February 10, 2025

A longtime supporter sent the following e-mail about the dismantling of USAID. We are sharing it, as well as Glenn's response below, in case anyone else finds it interesting.

From Supporter:

PS on not opposing Trump -- or anyone -- reflexively: What most came to mind there for me was Bush and PEPFAR. I'm not a fan of Bush to put it mildly - - I'll never forgive him for lying us into war for starters. But still I have no problem giving him props for PEPFAR which saved millions of lives from AIDS. Of course he just deserves part of the credit -- I'd also want to be sure to remember the late Paul Farmer, who unlike Bush was a genuinely good and decent man throughout (I had the good fortune to meet him a few times) -- but it wouldn't have happened without Bush's buy-in. "Compassionate conservatism" was mostly bullshit, but this was a very prominent exception that massively changed the world for the better.

But I guess you're on the other side of this? I see you celebrating the shut down of USAID. I'm all for praising Trump if and when he does something good, but in my opinion this ain't it. For one, is this even legal the way they are going about it? I am not a lawyer, and won't pretend to have a well-informed take, but it seems pretty questionable. Even if you want to argue it's legal, I really struggle to understand celebrating the world's richest man suddenly shutting down aid for some of the world's poorest. I get the argument that USAID has sometimes been used as cover for the CIA or whatever. The first thing that comes to mind was using a more or less fake vaccination program to catch Bin Laden (though googling, that one doesn't seem to have involved USAID. But do you think shutting down USAID is really going to materially undermine the CIA? They'll find the cover somewhere else. And to the extent aid continues, this will make it less independent of political concerns, bringing it under direct control of the State Department. Not sure if you followed the similar move in the UK where DID -- a formerly independent agency in the UK, widely seen as the best major national aid agency - was brought under the Foreign Office and more political control. At least there, they did it in an orderly way (and in fairness, from what I've heard, while clearly negative for the quality of decision making wasn't nearly the sea change critics feared, at least so far).

 

 

From: Glenn

It's a bit reductive to dichotomize the debate to Keep USAID or Abolish USAID, at least in terms of how I see it. I have zero doubt that there are USAID programs that save lives and do a great deal of good for the neediest.

But this is not the primary objective of SAID and it never was. The primary objective is to bolster US imperialism and the power to interfere in other countries. They fund countless propaganda rags around the world; programs that destabilize regions; and campaigns to manipulate foreign elections. Most of the most vicious "independent" Ukrainian press - the kind that routinely smears Americans as being Kremlin agents for questioning NATO narratives (I've been on many of those) -- are USAID funded. They do that in Russia, Cuba, everywhere.

The whole issue with Trump comes down to this clip where Jeremy Scahill describes how Seymour Hersh sees Trump. We have this gigantic part of our government that operates in secret, completely on its own, with zero accountability, designed to foster failed bipartisan US foreign policy. Nothing and nobody has had the ability to shake or subvert it other than Trump, for whatever reasons and with whatever motives. Absent him, it just not only continues but expands and becomes more sinister.

Of course they'll find other ways to do much of this. But the reason USAID was created in the first place is because it's so much easier to access and manipulate other countries when there's a pretense of humanitarianism to it rather than an explicit CIA or State Dept program. I wish there were someone viable proposing surgical and precise cuts to the stuff that should be excised, but there's not. So absent that, I prefer a more blunt assault than just allowing the status quo to continue and fester unmolested.

 

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There are times when we cannot cover everything that is going on that we think deserves attention, and one of the ways we try to rectify that is to bring on guests who we believe are highly informed, engaging and provocative. We have two guests tonight for you who are most certainly all of those things. 

The first is Liam Cunningham, who is the long-time working Irish actor likely best known for his central role as Davod Seaworth in the HBO hit series, Game of Thrones; but for our purposes he is also a very passionate political activist and analyst who has spent decades involved in political activism, in the last two years focused like many people, on the Israeli destruction of Gaza. 

Right after that, we’ll talk to the very independent, heterodox and cantankerous journalist – which I mean in the most flattering way – Zaid Jilani. He was my colleague for years at the Intercept until he left for all the right reasons. We're going to talk about a wide range of topics with him, including the fallout from the DOJ's announcement that it's closing the Epstein investigation with no further disclosures, the state of the race for New York City mayor, where Zohran Mamdani's primary win has sent a lot of people, especially the city's richest, into full meltdown mode. 

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The Interview: Liam Cunningham 

Liam Cunningham is an award-winning Irish actor, as I said, best known for his role in HBO's series Game of Thrones. Various outlets, including The Irish Times, have called him one of Ireland's greatest actors. He's been a political activist for decades, but recently he helped to organize and became a spokesperson for the "Freedom Flotilla,” in which Greta Thunberg and other colleagues were arrested and deported by the Israeli government for attempting to deliver aid to the people of Gaza when the IDF was blockading it. I've followed his work for some time, especially his political work and we are delighted to have him for his debut appearance. Hope it's not the last on the show. 

G. Greenwald: Liam, it's great to see you. I know it's so late in Dublin. I really appreciate your staying up to talk with us. 

Liam Cunningham: No, that's fine. It's way past my bedtime, but an absolute yes. For you, sir, anything. 

G. Greenwald: I appreciate that. All right. So, let's begin with what I just mentioned, which is the role that you played in kind of helping to organize and becoming a very well-known spokesperson for the boat that was intended to deliver humanitarian aid to Gaza as a way of circumventing the IDF's blockade of food, water, medicine and the like.

I think a lot of people didn't realize at the time what an actually dangerous and courageous mission it was. I remember in 2011, a very similar flotilla attempted essentially the same thing to deliver food to the people of Gaza when there was a blockade there and the IDF actually attacked that ship and killed 10 people on board. You had Nobel Prize winners, holocaust survivors and the IDF just didn't care. They violently attacked it. What was the impetus for your involvement in this particular action, even knowing how dangerous and provocative it might be?

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We even showed you an interview that Alina Habba, the Trump attorney who is now the U.S. attorney for New Jersey, appointed by Donald Trump, did with Pierce Morgan while she was in the government, just in February, where she claimed they have a whole bunch of very incriminating lists with shocking names. She said there's video and there are all kinds of documents that are shocking, in her words, and she said they're going to be released over time because we've gone long enough where people who do these sorts of things, including are involved in the Epstein scandal, have no accountability. She said that is ending with the Trump administration. There's going to be accountability. 

Yesterday, the Trump Justice Department said, “No, there's nothing here. We looked. There's no such thing as a client list.” We know we've been promising and that JD Vance repeatedly said, “Where's the client list?” Donald Trump Jr. said, “Anyone hiding the client lists is a scumbag.” Dan Bongino, Kash Patel, Pam Bondi accused Biden officials of basically covering up predatory pedophilia by refusing to release the Jeffrey Epstein client list. Now, they're saying there's no client list, that thing we've been talking about and accusing Biden officials of hiding and promising to disclose, that doesn't exist. 

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You can read the Justice Department's statement here.

They're saying this client list that most Trump supporters, I would say, have been accusing the U.S. government, of hiding to protect all the powerful people on this list, now, that they're in power – people like Pam Bondi, Dan Bongino and Kash Patel, now they're in charge – they're saying, no, actually there is no client list at all. There's at least no incriminating client list, whatever that means. 

I don't know if there is a client list or not, but according to them, there's no incriminating client list. I don't know how you can have a client list that's not incriminating: to be a client of Jeffrey Epstein seems inherently incriminating. They seem to have said what the White House briefing said today when asked about this, because as we'll show you, Pam Bondi went on Fox News and was asked, “Are you going to release the client list?” And she said, “It's sitting on my desk for review.” 

Trump had strongly suggested he would order it released. Now they're saying, “You know what? There is no client list.” 

So, all these claims that Jeffrey Epstein had recordings of prominent individuals who he invited to his island, who had sex with minors, evidently, there's no incriminating material of any kind that would implicate any powerful person. Just not there, they checked. They checked the storage closets, they looked under the beds, just couldn't find anything. All the stuff they had been claiming was there for years, screaming and pounding the table on podcasts, making a lot of money over it, too, accusing Biden officials of hiding this all for corrupt ends, just not there. They looked, couldn't find it. 

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