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Pro-War Propagandists: How Bloodthirsty Media Push US Toward Every New War
System Update #35
February 08, 2023
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Good evening. It's Monday, February 6. Welcome to a new episode of System Update, our new, live, nightly show that airs every Monday through Friday at 7 p.m. EST, exclusively here on Rumble, the free speech alternative to YouTube.

Tonight – that the U.S. media is biased and pursues a political agenda rather than truthful reporting is hardly in dispute these days. Less obvious is exactly what that agenda is. There are many ways to express it, but often, the overarching allegiance is not so much to any political party or even the left versus right wars, but rather status quo power subservience to the U.S. Security State, and, especially, a virtually reflexive craving for more U.S. war. With the U.S. already involved in a dangerous and still escalating proxy war with a nuclear power, that one based in Moscow, and talk increasingly of the potential possibility of war with another, that one based in Beijing, understanding the role the media plays in America's posture of Endless War is more vital than ever and we’ll delve deeply into that topic tonight. 

Then, a new study by the Pentagon's official think tank, the RAND Corporation, shows some serious changes in how Washington is now thinking about the war in Ukraine and whether it is in Americans’ interest to continue to pursue that war. The problem, though:  war propaganda was so effective in working Americans into a neocon frenzy – where they really believe full victory over Moscow is possible and that the real U.S. goal there is fighting for Ukrainian sovereignty and democracy – that it is now a real challenge for Washington how to rein in that war fervor. We’ll look at this new RAND report and all of its broader implications. 

As we announced last week, our live aftershow on Rumble will now air twice a week – Tuesday and Thursday. So, look for that tomorrow night, right after our live show on Rumble. 

For now, welcome to a new episode of System Update starting right now. 


That the American media is heavily biased barely requires debate at this point. There are few political beliefs these days which command widespread consensus among Americans, but contempt for the corporate media and a recognition that they are more guided by a political agenda than a desire for truthful reporting are beliefs most Americans share. As a Gallup 2022 survey found under the headline, “Americans’ Trust in Media Remains Near Record Low”

At 34%, Americans’ trust in the mass media to report the news “fully, accurately and fairly” is essentially unchanged from last year and just two points higher than the lowest that Gallup has recorded in 2016, during the presidential campaign. Just 7% of Americans have “a great deal” of trust and confidence in the media, and 27% have a “fair amount”. Meanwhile, 28% of U.S. adults said they do not have very much confidence and 38% have none at all in newspapers, TV and radio. Notably, this is the first time that the percentage of Americans with no trust at all in the media is higher than the percentage with a great deal or a fair amount combined (Gallup. October 18, 2022). 

But the question of which political agenda they serve is a bit more elusive. Many conservatives insist the answer is easy. The media is devoted to political liberalism. Rush Limbaugh spent decades ranting against what he called The Liberal Media. And throughout the 1980s and 1990s, the conservative perception of the corporate media was rather straightforward and clear. The narrative went, Journalists are Democrats, they believe in liberalism, and they are devoted to the advancement of the political left. 

Whether that was really as true then is more a question for history. I would submit that – like most things these days – a simple, traditional left v. right framework is really not the best metric for understanding the media's allegiances. It is definitely true – observably so – that employees of major American media corporations support the left-liberal views on culture war issues. That's not hard to understand why. Employees of NBC, CNN, The New York Times, The Washington Post and the like live in big blue cities on the East Coast. They attend the same schools as each other and circulate in the same social enclaves. 

So, on standard culture war questions – LGBT rights, abortion, gender, ideology and gender roles, dogma about race and racism – there is almost certainly an overwhelming consensus in favor of left-liberal politics. That is almost certainly why the small amounts of lingering trust the U.S. media has managed to preserve come overwhelmingly from American Democrats and liberals as the 2022 Gallup report found:

America's trust in the media remains sharply polarized among partisan lines, with 70% of Democrats, 14% of Republicans, and 27% of independents saying they have a great deal or fair amount of confidence. There has been a consistent double-digit gap in trust between Democrats and Republicans since 2001, and that gap has ranged from 54 to 63 percentage points since 2017 (Gallup. October 18, 2022). 

The accompanying chart from Gallup is remarkably illustrative, and it reveals the following: basically, the approval of corporate media is now almost entirely dependent on Democratic Party voters. Starting essentially in 2016, there was a radical jump in trust that Democrats have for the corporate media, largely because they perceived, correctly, that the corporate media was almost entirely on their side in trying to sabotage Donald Trump and advance the interests of the Democratic Party. Meanwhile, the trend line about Independents and Republicans when it comes to trust in the media has steadily declined since 1974 and is now basically in full-scale collapse. It is hard to overstate how dependent the corporate media now is on Democrats when it comes to retaining any degree of trust. If not for Democrats, these numbers would be way, way worse, drastically lower. 

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Daily Wire vs. Candace Owens Article

Thursday morning, we published another bombshell article regarding the Daily Wire negotiating a debate with Candace Owens while secretly obtaining a gag order against her.

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As the Daily Wire Publicly Negotiated a Debate with Candace Owens, it Secretly Sought -- and Obtained -- a Gag Order Against Her
Due to a prior restraint order against Owens, the much-anticipated Israel debate with Ben Shapiro appears to be off.

On April 5, Candace Owens publicly invited her former Daily Wire colleague Ben Shapiro to a debate about "Israel and the current definition of antisemitism." It was Owens' criticisms of U.S. financing of Israel, and her criticisms of Israel's war in Gaza, that caused her departure from the Daily Wire two weeks earlier.

Both Shapiro and Daily Wire CEO Jeremy Boreing responded by saying they would like to arrange the debate requested by Owens. That night, Shapiro appeared to accept her offer, writing on X: "Sure, Candace. I texted you on February 29th offering this very thing." The Daily Wire co-founder added: "Let's do it on my show this Monday at 5pm at our studios in Nashville; 90 minutes, live-streamed."

After Owens objected to the format and timing, she and Boreing exchanged several tweets in which they appeared to be negotiating, and then agreeing to, the terms and format for the debate. Owens had suggested the debate be moderated by Joe Rogan or Lex Fridman. Shaprio said he wanted no moderator. They ultimately agreed to the terms, with Boreing offering a series of conditions, including a no-moderator debate, and with Owens publicly accepting

Two weeks later, many readers of both Shapiro and Owens noticed, and complained, that the debate had not yet happened. On April 24, Owens addressed those inquiries by explaining that the Daily Wire had yet to propose dates, while reiterating her strong desire to ensure the debate happened.

But the debate was never going to happen. That is because the Daily Wire -- in secret and unbeknownst to its readers -- sought a gag order to be placed on Owens after she had called for a debate. They did this under the cover of secrecy, before a private arbitrator, at exactly the same time that they were claiming in public that they wanted this debate and were even negotiating the terms with her. To this date, the Daily Wire has not informed its readers, seeking to understand why the much-anticipated debate had not yet happened, that they had sought and obtained a gag order against Owens.

When seeking a gag order to be imposed on Owens, the Daily Wire accused her of violating the non-disparagement clause of her agreement with the company. To substantiate this accusation, the company specifically cited Owens' initial tweet requesting a debate with Shapiro as proof of this disparagement, along with concerns she voiced that Shapiro appeared to be violating the confidentiality agreement between them by publicly maligning Owens's views to explain her departure from the company. While the company claimed before the arbitrator that it did not object in principle to a "healthy debate," it urged the imposition of a gag order on Owens by claiming that the way she requested the debate constituted disparagement of Shapiro and the site.

To justify the gag order it wanted, the company also cited various criticisms of the Daily Wire and Shapiro on X that Owens had "liked." This proceeding took place as part of an exchange of legal threats between the parties after the public agreement to debate about Israel was solidified. Those threats arose from the fact that various Daily Wire executives and hosts, in both public and private, were castigating Owens as an anti-Semite. On March 22, Daily Wire host Andrew Klaven published a one-hour video that hurled multiple accusations, including anti-Semitism, at Owens. The Daily Wire cited Owens' response to that video -- her defense of herself from those multiple accusations -- as further proof that she needed to be gagged.

The initial tweet from Owens not only requested a debate, but also included a video from the popular comedian Andrew Schulz, who had mocked the Daily Wire for firing Owens over disagreements regarding Israel, and specifically mocked Shapiro for his willingness to debate only undergraduate students. The tweet underneath Owens's original debate request included a summary of Schulz's mockery of Shapiro which stated: Schulz now "realizes Ben Shapiro is only good at debating college liberals & can’t win debates against serious competition." 

After the prior restraint hearing sought by the Daily Wire and Shapiro, the arbitrator sided with them and against Owens. The arbitrator agreed with the Daily Wire that Owens' call to debate Shapiro, and her follow-up negotiations of the debate, constituted "disparagement" of the company and Shapiro. The company argued that any further attempt by Owens to debate, as well her suggesting that the debate would expose the Daily Wire's real "priorities," constituted criticisms of the site and of Shapiro, criticisms that the arbitrator concluded Owens was barred from expressing under her contract with the company.

The arbitrator thus imposed a gag order of prior restraint on Owens. Among other things, the order banned Owens from saying or doing anything in the future which could tarnish or harm the reputation of the Daily Wire and/or Ben Shapiro. Given that the Daily Wire had argued, and the arbitrator agreed, that Owens' offers to debate Shapiro about Israel and anti-semitism were themselves "disparaging," the Daily Wire has ensured that the debate with Owens that they publicly claimed to want could not, in fact, take place. Any such debate would be in conflict with the gag order they obtained on Owens from expressing any criticisms of the site or of Shapiro.

When asked for comment to be included this story, Owens replied: I "wish I could comment on this but I can’t." She added: "can neither confirm nor deny."

Boreing said: "your story is inaccurate to the point of being false," though he did not specify a single inaccuracy, nor did he deny that the Daily Wire had sought and obtained a gag order on Owens at the same time they were publicly posturing as wanting a debate with her. The confirmation we obtained of all these facts is indisputable. Boreing added: "I’m sure you can appreciate how fraught a high profile break-up like this is. For that reason, we are trying to resolve our issues with Candace privately."

It certainly seems true that the Daily Wire is attempting to achieve all of this "privately." Nonetheless, Ben Shapiro has constructed his very lucrative media brand and persona based on his supposed superiority in debating, a reputation cultivated largely as a result of numerous appearances at undergraduate schools around the country where he intrepidly engages with students who are often in their teens or early twenties. Both Shapiro and the Daily Wire have also predicated their collective media brand on an eagerness to engage in free and open debate with anyone, and to vehemently oppose any efforts to silence people, especially those in media, from expressing their political views.

It was the imperatives of this media branding that presumably led the Daily Wire and Shapiro to publicly agree to a debate with Owens over Israel and anti-semitism in the first place. Indeed, when it became apparent early after the start of Israel's war in Gaza that Owens had major differences with Shapiro, Boering responded to calls from Israel supporters for Owens to be fired by proclaiming in November: 

[E]ven if we could, we would not fire Candace because of another thing we have in common - a desire not to regulate the speech of our hosts, even when we disagree with them. Candace is paid to give her opinion, not mine or Ben’s. Unless those opinions run afoul of the law or she violates the terms of her contract in some way, her job is secure and she is welcome at Daily Wire.

But a mere four months later, Owens, despite being of one of the company's most popular hosts, was out. The company had concluded that her increasingly vocal criticisms of Israel, opposition to U.S. financing of it, and her views on anti-semitism were incompatible with the Daily Wire's policies.

All of those issues would likely have been the subject of the public debate that Owens sought, and that the Daily Wire claimed to want. Instead, the Daily Wire has succeeded in obtaining a gag order that, on its face, prevents Owens, in advance, from questioning or criticizing both the Daily Wire or Shapiro in any way.

 

 

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What happened to Mike Johnson? 

 

ALSO: Find out which blogger inspired Glenn to write as well as his take on the interviews with Norman Fickelstein and Sahra Wagenknecht. 

 

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Daily Wire Obtains Secret Gag Order While Publicly Negotiating Debate; PLUS: David Sirota on Corporate Control of DC

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@BookWench

I've been thinking about this story all day, & the most disturbing aspect is that it's taking place in these new alternative media spaces, on which many of us depend for our news & analysis. If the people running these outlets are going to engage in the same mendacity & duplicity as their legacy media peers, then we're in deep trouble.

 

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My girlfriend is doing a masters in journalism. She is almost finished now. I was surprised to find out they never talk about Manufacturing Consent. Don Lemon was on Breaking Points recently and he also seemed to not know much about Chomsky at all. Don Lemon would be a cool guest for you guys to try to book. I think a huge issue with Journalism now is J schools. Young journalists often fear straying outside ideological lines. There is also a credentialist attitude where jschool people are taught to be skeptical of anyone who comes from a non traditional background to journalism. At least these are my observations from talking to her classmates. This isn't exactly breaking news but I'm sure you have a lot of interesting things to say about jschool philosophy which we would all like to hear.

 

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Post-9/11 "Terrorism" Hysteria Returns With a Vengeance

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Good evening. It's Thursday, May 2. 

Tonight: We reported earlier this morning on our Locals platform what appears to be the deceit of the news site The Daily Wire when it was pretending to publicly negotiate a debate between its co-founder Ben Shapiro and its former host Candace Owens, regarding Israel and U.S. support for Israel and how anti-Semitism should be understood. That debate, which was first proposed by Candace Owens on April 5, was to focus on the pair's differences over all of these issues regarding Israel, including the Israeli war in Gaza, the new law defining anti-Semitism and whether the U.S. should finance Israel's war.  

It was those differences with Shapiro that led to Owens’s departure from the site in March, despite her being one of its most popular hosts. Many people, especially Daily Wire fans, were eagerly anticipating a debate between two of the right's most influential figures on this series of issues that has really recently split the right. 

Two weeks after they agreed to the terms of the debate, readers of both Shapiro and Owens began noticing that it had not yet taken place and began asking why. Owens addressed these inquiries by publicly reiterating her desire to have the debate but noting that the Daily Wire had thus far failed to offer any dates for it to happen. In reality, what we learned, confirmed, and reported this morning was that shortly after The Daily Wire publicly negotiated this debate with Owens, they ran in secret to an arbitrator and requested a gag order be placed on Owens, preventing her from speaking in any disparaging way about either Ben Shapiro or The Daily Wire, which will obviously preclude a debate. To do so, they alleged that the way she requested the debate and other statements that she had made constituted “disparagement” of the Daily Wire and Ben Shapiro. The arbitrator sided with the Daily Wire and did impose a gag order of prior restraint on Candace Owens, as the Daily Wire had requested. In other words, at the same time that The Daily Wire and Ben Shapiro were posturing publicly as wanting a debate about Israel and antisemitism between Shapiro and Owens, they were—in secret—ensuring that this debate would never happen by obtaining a prior restraining gag order to prevent Owens from questioning or criticizing Shapiro in any way. 

The Daily Wire and Ben Shapiro have become major forces in conservative politics. They have built their platform and media brand and persona based on a media profile of seeking debate with anyone about anything while vehemently opposing any attempts to silence people, especially in media, due to their political views. The fact that they—as we exclusively learned, then reported today—secretly and forcibly compelled Owens’s silence, all while pretending in public that they wanted to debate her is obviously newsworthy unto itself but also reveals a huge gap on much of the pro-Israel right between their purported championing of free speech and their continuous efforts to silence critics of Israel. We’ll explain what we learned and its implications. 

Then: The independent journalist David Sirota and his news site, Labor News, have become exemplary illustrations of how independent journalists can succeed not through mere punditry but through dogged investigative reporting. The site specializes in the entirely nonpartisan project of chasing corporate cash in Washington and exposing its effects on a bipartisan basis on our law-making process. Over the past week, they have broken major stories involving efforts to block in Congress consumer-friendly reforms of the airline industry, specifically how members of Congress from both parties who received massive donations from the airline industry have taken the lead in blocking reforms that would be of great value to passengers. He also has a new podcast, Lover Time, in which he documents how the Democratic Party used some of the most anti-democratic means imaginable to crush any possibility of a primary challenge to incumbent President Joe Biden, and he has also been reporting on various issues involving the failures at Boeing. We'll speak to Sirota in just a bit about all of those issues. 

For now, welcome to a new episode of System Update, starting right now. 

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