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We are pleased to send you a summary of the key stories we covered last week. These are written versions of the reporting and analysis we did on last week's episodes of SYSTEM UPDATE.

—Glenn Greenwald


MONDAY, DECEMBER 11 - SYSTEM UPDATE 196

Biden WH Seeks to Renew & Expand Domestic Spying—With Sen. Mike Lee. 

 

The US’ Long History of Silencing Israel Critics—on Campus, Media, & Beyond

 

A new attempt to block a powerful tool of the security state for domestic spying while a bipartisan coalition of intelligence agency aligned politicians work toward its renewal and even expansion; Sen. Mike Lee talks about Section 702, and how to stop it; Censorship for Israel continues and the consequences befall the American people. 

The United States exploited the fears that emerged after the 9/11 attacks in multiple ways. While the wars it started and the torture camps it installed around the world have largely come to an end—some 20 ending only years later—many of the most repressive and authoritarian domestic powers seized in the name of that terrorist attack endure to this very day. One obvious example is the Patriot Act, enacted in the days and weeks after that attack, and which was promised to be temporary; but every four years since, the Congress has re-authorized and renewed the Patriot Act, and now does so with virtually no debate—ensuring that what was once acknowledged to be a radical expansion of state power has now simply become normalized as part our political woodwork.

The same is true of the power grab that the US claimed—at first in secret, and then in the open—of the right to spy on the international communications of Americans citizens without having so much as to get a warrant first: one of the core Constitutional protections of the 4th Amendment. This was a power that the Bush/Cheney administration originally claimed in secret in early 2002. Once the New York Times was a Pulitzer for revealing the existence of this illegal spying power in 2005, the US Congress—under the leadership of Nancy Peolsi—acted to codify and legalize that warrantless domestic spying power by enacting Section 702 of the FISA Amendments Act.

The terms of that law required that it be renewed every five years. And since, then, it has been. In 2013, the Obama administration demanded renewal and got it. In 2018, Democrats like Nancy Pelosi and Adam Schiff joined with numerous Republicans to give the Trump administration the same vast domestic spying powers—even while Schiff and Pelosi were accusing Trump of being a fascist and new Hitler, they acted to ensure that the Trump administration also enjoyed these virtually unlimited spying powers on American citizens.

Now the law is again up for renewal. This time, however, there is a serious bipartisan coalition—enraged by how many times the FBI has been caught abusing these powers—attempt to impose meaningful reforms on them as a condition for its renewal. Last week, we had on our program Congressman Thomas Massie of Kentucky to warn that pro-spying members of both political parties are attempting to work with the Biden WH not only to ensure quick renewal, but also to expand those spying powers even further. 

Senator Mike Lee, the Republican Senator from Utah, is now vocally warning about that attempt, and he'll be on with us tonight to discuss the prospects for stopping this bill and the reasons it's so dangerous.

Finally: The glaring abandonment of principle by many conservatives—especially those who have long posed as free speech champions—as they attempt in the wake of October 7 to usher in a wide range of censorship measures and classic cancel culture in the name of shielding Israel from criticism. Many conservatives have been consistent and denounced this—but many on the pro-Israel right who cheer this don't deny that it's a radical contradiction of their stated views and current actions. 

Instead, they claim, they are simply finally using the left's censorship tactics against them, finally forcing American liberals to live under the cancellation and censorship frameworks they have imposed on every one else. While that sentiment might be understandable, there is a major problem with that claim: namely, censorship against Israel critics in the U.S.—in academia, in media, and in the corporate world—has been doing on for many, many years in the U.S. There is nothing new about it. And we'll show you the very long history of how aggressive and extreme this censorship in the U.S. has long been in the name of protecting Israel. Silencing and punishing Israel's American critics is not some new tactic now being used at tit-for-tat against left-liberal censorship: it has long been one of the most common and pervasive forms of censorship that many on the right, who vocally champion free speech, have long ignored if not cheered.

 

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TUESDAY, DECEMBER 12 - SYSTEM UPDATE 197 

Zelensky Begs DC for Money—While Torturing US Journalist, Gonzalo Lira. 

 

Bill Ackman’s Long-Time Censorship Crusade Gets Results. 

 

Google Loses Massive Anti-Trust Suit, w/ Matt Stoller

 

President Zelensky makes a final plea to Joe Biden and the US congress to fund his conscription army while his own government officials call him ‘delusional.’ ‘Brave’ Bill Ackman is celebrated as a hero by Israel supporters as he tries to cancel people via X; Google loses a major antitrust suit against Epic Games—creator of Fortnite—friend of the show Matt Stoller joins to give all the details. 

Ukraine's President Vlodomyr Zelensky goes to Washington—again—with his hand held out for more American money—again. The Biden administration—after first blocking any possibility of a diplomatic resolution at the start of the Russia/Ukraine war—has spent more than $110 million in American resources to fuel the war, accomplishing little other than guaranteeing the destruction of Ukraine, sending hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian and Russian men to their deaths, and all but ensuring that Russia will end up controlling roughly ⅕ of what had been Ukrainian territory.

Over the last month, President Zelensky's closest allies in Kiev have run to the Western press to turn on both Zelensky and the war—accusing him of everything from having become an authoritarian to being "delusional" about his obviously baseless belief that Ukraine has any chance to expel all Russian troops from Ukrainian soil. But none of that stopped Zelensky from going to the White House, making rounds with American media, and meeting with members of Congress to plead, demand, and insist that more American money be transferred to keep fueling this increasingly futile but as-destructive-as-ever war. 

Then: Few people outside the world of high finance and academia knew the name Bill Ackman until Oct. 7, when Hamas attacked Israel. Almost immediately, the multi-billionaire hedge fund manager and fanatical supporter of Israel went on a rampage against anyone and anything insufficiently supportive of Israel—at first helping compile black lists of American college students who committed the crime of placing blame on Israel for the long-standing conflict with the Palestinians, then using his vast wealth to coerce Harvard and other institutions to intensify their censorship attacks aimed at Israel critics.

It has been bizarre watching so many Israel supporters and assorted Republicans march behind Bill Ackman and celebrate him as a hero—and to watch him celebrate himself as one: he really did recently praise his courage. Bill Ackman is what every conservative and even many liberals claim to despise: a billionaire who weaponizes his wealth to cancel and destroy the careers of those who disagree with him, and who tries to dictate to major universities which political views they may and may not permit to be expressed. And he's hardly alone. But the last two months have taken people like Bill Ackman out of the shadows and thrust them into the spotlight—and it's vital to realize that his cause—while masquerading as some sort of noble fight against wokeness—is nothing other than an attempt to force universities to prohibit and punish criticisms of this foreign country.

Finally: As the Justice Department prepares to go to trial against Google in an antitrust suit brought by the Trump administration, Google just suffered a major defeat in a courtroom in San Francisco. A company called Epic Games, the creator of Fortnite, won a jury verdict that Google's use of its Google Stores violates America's anti-trust laws. We'll speak with one of the nation's premiere antitrust and Google experts, Matt Stoller of the American Economic Liberties Project, to tell us what this means.

 

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WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 13 - SYSTEM UPDATE 198 

Zelensky, Live on Fox, Re-Affirms His Own Tyranny. 

 

ADL’s Game-Playing w/ Hate Crime Stats. 

 

Media’s Gullible Embrace of Anon CIA Leaks. 

 

Shocking Censorship Escalation in Brazil

 

In a Fox News interview with Bret Baier, Zelenskyy continues the lie of “defending democracy” to shield criticism of the repressive and tyrannical political powers he has ushered in Ukraine in the name of fighting Russia; ADL manipulates hate crime statistics and manufactures its own antisemitism crisis in order to fight an information war on behalf of Israel; CIA leaks lies about Russian army and Ukraine; Brazilian Youtuber Monark faces consequences as political censorship grows. 

Ukrainian President is in Washington and, as we discussed on last night's show, he went to the White House and Congress to plead for more billions for his failed war effort, and then met with the true beneficiaries of this war—the CEOs of the American arms industry: Raytheon, Boeing, General Dynamics and the rest. December 13 on Fox News, Zelensky was asked by host Bret Baer about recent accusations by his closest Ukrainian allies that he has become an authoritarian and tyrant. Zelensky, rather than even attempt to deny the accusation, essentially affirmed his own autocracy—all while he insists that we must give him billions more to "defend democracy."

Then: The ADL has long been in the business of accusing people of being racists and anti-Semites in order to silence their opposition and force businesses to pay them substantial amounts of money to be released from those accusations. Ever since Oct 7, the ADL has found new allies as they seek to capitalize on the emotions surrounding the Hamas attack and the new-found efforts to silence Israel critics. Central to their campaign, and those of like-minded allies, is the cynical manipulation of hate crime statistics to try to invent a crisis that can be used to justify the repression of political speech. 

After that: Despite how many times the CIA, FBI and the rest of the US Security State routinely spreads lies by using anonymous leaks, every new leak is met with an instinctive belief on the part of many in media that these leaks—by virtue of appearing in major media outlets must be true. The CIA just engineered a leak about Russia's military that is so obviously designed to promote their primary foreign policy aim of securing billions more to keep the war against Russia going, and yet so many people who should know better gullibly treated the leak as proven fact, without an iota of questioning or skepticism. 

Finally: Censorship programs having been growing not only in the US but more broadly in the democratic world—in the EU, in the UK, in Canada, in Ireland, and in Brazil. These attacks on free speech in major countries are important in and of themselves, but also because each advancement of censorship powers is seen by other countries as a test case for how far they can go. Some of the most extreme systemic repression of political speech has taken place in Brazil—being used as a laboratory by the EU to see how far they can go—and earlier today news broke of one of the most extreme and truly shocking cases of political censorship.

 

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THURSDAY, DECEMBER 14 - SYSTEM UPDATE 199

Congress Again Renews FBI’s Warrantless Spying Power Over Americans. 

 

Vivek’s Revealing Clash w/ CNN on 1/6. 

 

Natasha Bertrand’s CIA Servitude. 

 

Dems Pretend to Chide Israel

 

FISA 702 renewal sneaks its way into the annual National Defense Authorization Act and passes with overwhelming support from the bipartisan consensus in Washington; At a CNN town hall, Vivek shocks host Abby Philips by citing evidence of Jan 6 being an “inside job” ; Natasha Bertrand—the CIA’s favorite corporate “journalist” —has a new article taken right from the mouths of intelligence community and government operatives; Faced with broad opposition from the base over the violence launched against Gaza, Biden and Dems feign concern and give lip service to humanitarian values while continuing to arm Israel unconditionally.

In Washington, the US Security State always gets its way. This, yet again, is exactly what happened over the last 24 hours as first the Senate, then the House, voted on a bipartisan basis to renew and extend the FBI's power to spy on the communications of citizens without warrants of any kind. 

Over the past two weeks, we had two lawmakers on our show—Senator Mike Lee of Utah and Congressman Thomas Massie of Kentucky—both of whom held out real hope that this time Congress would do its duty and at least impose limits, safeguards and reforms on the FBI—given the mountain of evidence proving that they abused these domestic spying powers. We'll show you what happened—how the FBI yet again won the right to hold onto this truly dangerous and authoritarian power—and, most of all, who in Washington is responsible for it.

Then: It is hardly a secret that the primary ideology of the corporate media is blind loyalty to the FBI, the NSA, the Pentagon and the rest of the agencies composing what Dwight Eisenhower called the military-industrial complex. Still, in a sewer of corporate media employes who perform this function, none is as corrupt about it, as mindlessly subservient to the CIA's talking points and agenda, as Natasha Bertrand—who proved her usefulness in this function by becoming the Queen of the most deranged parts of Russiagate. There was no CIA conspiracy theory beneath her dignity to spread—and then she became the first person to spread the CIA lie that the Hunter Biden laptop was "Russian disinformation." Bertrand has a new article on the Biden administration's view of the war in Israel, and it is really worth looking at just to see the kinds of rotted journalistic tactics that are not just acceptable but propel these people to ascend the corporate media ladder.

After that: GOP presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy appeared on a CNN town hall with one of the network's personalities, Abby Phillips, who went there from being classified as a reporter with the Washington Post. Phillips asked Vivek about his statement that January 6 was an "inside job,” something he first said on this show and then repeated at the last GOP presidential debate. Phillips sought to prove that this was a false conspiracy, but rather than letting him answer, she used the tactic that has become the most common among incompetent TV interviewers: she just refused to let him speak, constantly talking over him, in large part because she had no idea what she was talking about, and in part because much of what Vivek was saying was demonstrably true, but she thought it was false because CNN never has its hosts tell its audience about it. There is a lot of illustrative meaning from this quite contentious exchange, so we'll break it down.

Finally: Democrats are playing a deeply cynical, even jaded, game when it comes to the posture of the Biden White House towards Israel's war in Gaza. From the start of the war, Biden did what he has done his entire political career: pledged complete, unlimited and unconditional financial and military support for Israel. He continued to do that even as the world began turning against the Israeli onslaught until Gaza. What changed, however, was polls began showing that the Democratic Party base was abandoning Biden over his support for Israel's war, and ever since, Democrats have been making theatrical gestures in public to pretend that they are chiding Israel and trying to limit what they can do, while in reality, they are telling the Israelis and making repeatedly clear that their financing and arming of Israel's war is unconditional and eternal. No matter your views on this war, this sort of deceitful game-playing should repulse you. At the very least, it deserves journalistic scrutiny and exposure.

 

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FRIDAY, DECEMBER 15 - SYSTEM UPDATE 200

Tucker Carlson on Global Populism, the Censorship-Industrial Regime, Israel/Ukraine, His New Network, & More

Tucker Carlson has long been one of the most heterodox and fascinating journalists in American politics, whose daily coverage of world events on Fox News broke with the corporate media consensus on matters of foreign policy and economic orthodoxy. For the 200th episode, Glenn interviews Tucker Carlson for an in depth discussion on various topics including the crisis of free speech, the failures of neoliberalism, and the messianic lunacy of neoconservatism.

This week SYSTEM UPDATE commemorated the one-year anniversary of the debut of our show—our show launched on December, 12, 2022—and tonight marks the 200th episode of this program. To mark this anniversary, we have a special episode for you—we are devoting the program to a conversation I had on Wednesday with Tucker Carlson, the former Fox News host whose program was canceled under mysterious circumstances despite being the most-watched show on cable news.

Tucker just announced that he was launching a brand new media outlet—the Tucker Carlson Network—that has quite high ambitions in terms of the kind of journalism it intends to do. We spoke with Tucker in a wide-ranging interview about that new project, but also about all sorts of pressing issues including the new US-supported war in Gaza; the about-face done by certain sectors of the American right since October 7 on issues such as free speech and cancel culture; the primary pathologies of corporate media; the possibility of his own political future, and much, much more.

This is the first time he's been on SYSTEM UPDATE and the result was an illuminating and different sort of conversation that we are confident you will enjoy.

 

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a joke told in the style of Bill Burr, maybe? - Bill Can send me a Check if he wants. ;)
Bill, I loved your 'F is for family' show; I think people just want to see something real while living in a world full of lies.

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THIS CEO KILLING, LET'S BE REAL, .. IT WAS ..
.. A POORER PSYCHO WHO KILLED A RICHER PSYCHO.. Right?
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Candace Owen won the 'Antisemite of the year' award. It's crazy how the people who virtually worship Israel attack her and others who see what is happening in Gaza as on par with what happened to Lwow and Poznan during WWII as a result of Stalin and Hitler respectively. The first 21 min are interesting:

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Why The CNN Syria Rescue Deserves Skepticism
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CNN's foreign correspondent, Clarissa Ward, produced and broadcast an extremely strange and very melodramatic video of her and her CNN crew magically discovering a previously undetected prisoner in Syria lying motionless under a blanket. Ward had previously admitted in her book that she stopped being a journalist when it came to Syria and was enraged that the U.S. had not done more to help remove Assad from power. Many people have raised questions about this bizarre video – whether it was staged by CNN and/or its Syrian handlers – and while we certainly don't purport to know the answer, what we do now is that extreme skepticism of such propaganda is very warranted given how often the U.S. Government and its media have blatantly lied, essentially always, when it comes to wars and coups that are important to Washington.

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A very moving, emotional and deeply melodramatic segment was aired this week on CNN when the foreign correspondent Clarissa Ward, who has gone to Syria in the wake of the ouster of long-time Syrian President Bashar Assad, purported to have entered one of the notorious Syrian prisons and discovered to her great shock that there was a single prisoner who was there under a blanket, who had not been discovered in the emptying of all the other prisoners. It gave her the opportunity to comfort him, hug him and show how oppressed these heroes are.

One of the interesting things about the emptying of these prisons and the liberation of prisoners is no one seems to be questioning whether any of these people deserve to be in prison. It is certainly true there are a lot of political prisoners. The Assad regime tortured people. When we wanted to torture people in interrogations, as part of the War on Terror, the U.S. sent people that we kidnapped from Europe to Egypt and Syria, both Mubarak and Assad were our allies at the time. There is a lot of torture, there's a lot of political persecution under Assad but there are other people who were in prison because they committed violent crimes or egregious crimes. There seems to be an assumption, though, that every person in a Syrian prison is an unjustly persecuted person there simply because of their dissent. Into that, we embrace them all, we free them all and they're all evidence of Assad's tyranny. 

So, here is what CNN claims is what happened in real-time, as they discovered along with you. 

Video. CNN.

There's one guy alone in a cell. He was very dramatic to give a suspense. He wasn't just sitting there; he was under a blanket perfectly in a way that you couldn't even tell if there was a human being there. So, we're all waiting with bated breath to see what would happen when the blanket is removed, and it turns out there's a very seemingly clean and well-cared-for person under a blanket. He puts his hands up and they've discovered a prisoner, one of the very few who have not been released and CNN did it! CNN is about to rescue him with their Syrian handlers and here's what happens. 

Video. CNN.

I just need to show you some of the acting that was done here, that I didn't catch the first time I watched it but, as you saw, Clarissa Ward of CNN was in the room. She was speaking English to him. “I'm a civilian.” I'm not sure why she was speaking English then, but that’s what she was doing. And then when he gets up, she goes behind the door. She leaves the cell for just a moment. She needs a moment to compose herself. She puts her hand on her heart. There you see her hands on her chest. Oh My God. She's, she's so emotional about what they just discovered. A guy in a prison under a blanket. 

A lot of people had a lot of questions about this. No idea, at all, why he was there. Obviously, the Syrian handlers are people who are rebels, who want to show the world how vicious and brutal the Assad regime is or was. And so, I'm certainly not suggesting that CNN staged this. I don't know if the Syrian handlers did, but a lot of people did close-ups of the hands of this prisoner, he had very well-manicured, very clean hands. There was no one else in the prison with him. The other prison cells we've seen were overcrowded. Huge numbers of people came out when the doors were open. There doesn't seem to be any human waste in the prison. So, a lot of people were thinking this might have been staged as propaganda so that CNN could not just interview a prisoner, but actually participate in the rescue of a Syrian prisoner or someone in an Assad dungeon. 

The reason I found it so notable that Clarissa Ward, in particular, is participating in this story is because she had previously admitted that she was basically somebody who gave up on any pretense of journalistic neutrality or journalistic distance when it comes to Syria. She admitted that she was, in fact, a hardened advocate of the U.S. policy to remove Bashar Assad from power. In fact, she was sending deranged voicemails and emails to Obama White House officials because they didn't do more to remove Bashar Assad in 2021. She did a podcast entitled Intelligence Matters, which is hosted by the former acting director of the CIA under President Obama, Michael Morell, one of the people who accused Trump of being a Russian asset in 2016 when he endorsed Hillary Clinton and, needless to say, was one of the people who signed the letter, the notorious letter of 51 intelligence officials claiming that the Hunter Biden laptop had all the markings of Russian disinformation. She was on his podcast. She's a journalist on the podcast, chatting, very friendly with the former head of the CIA, because that's, of course, the loyalties that she has. And she was asked about Syria, and this is what she said. 

Author and war correspondent Clarissa Ward on reporting from conflict zones - "Intelligence Matters"

I will cop to the fact that I think I crossed the line in Syria. I became so emotionally involved and I was crushed by the U.S. response and the U.S. policy… I felt that there wasn't really a strong U.S. policy, that we had said 'Assad must go' and then we had done nothing to make him go. We had said chemical weapons were a red line and then that red line was crossed and there wasn't really anything in terms of real repercussions.

And I wrote Ben Rhodes an email to his official White House account. And I said, 'Dear Ben, I hope you're sleeping soundly as Aleppo burns. At least we have the Russians to sort it out. Best wishes, Clarissa.' (CBS News. June 2, 2021)

So, I don't think I ever need to prove but this is somebody who is a longtime activist for U.S. policy removing Bashar Assad and for putting in whoever these rebels are, because she herself admitted that “I crossed the line.” She's sending these, like, angry, enraged emails to Obama officials, sarcastic and embittered. It's not a journalist, it’s fine if people go around wanting to advocate for Obama doing more to remove Assad beyond giving the CIA $1 billion a year as he was doing, to fight along alongside ISIS and al-Qaeda. But to be a journalist covering Syria and at the same time berating the government for not unleashing the CIA even more to do regime change in a country? Obviously, that's crossing the line journalistically. But also, it's a good reason why we ought to be skeptical when then she starts putting out this kind of propaganda that is highly questionable. 

Here she is previously in what became controversial in October of 2023, showed herself on CNN avoiding what she said was rocket fire. Here's what happened:

Video. CNN. October 9, 2023.

She was on the ground out of breath, in Israel, on October 9, 2023, talking about these primitive crude rockets that Hamas was sending when Israel was sending 2,000-pound bombs and one thousand-pound bombs to destroy Gaza. She was there to convey the drama of being in Israel and the dangers of that. 

I'm just offering these facts about what we know. As I said, I'm not here to assert that CNN staged that very melodramatic and convenient prison rescue. If I had to bet, I'd say it's likelier that the Syrian handlers for rebels did it for CNN. But they don't even know that it could be just this huge coincidence that CNN stumbled into some forgotten prisoner, and he grabbed her by the arm, even though she's speaking English to him and he has perfectly manicured nails and he's holding onto her arm and she's saying, “Get water, get water.” She gives him the water, and he just drinks it out of great thirst. That could be a very excellent stroke of luck for CNN and for Clarissa Ward, who is a strong advocate, as she said, of this policy to remove Assad. But I think that it's very worth remembering – and I want to be as emphatic as I can be about how I phrase this because every single time there's a major geopolitical event that the United States cares about, extreme, deliberate, blatant material lies come spewing forth both before and afterward to influence public opinion and the way that Washington wants it to be, they disseminate those lies themselves or through their media. It happens all the time.

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Since his election victory, Donald Trump has given two major, lengthy interviews about his intentions for his second term in the presidency and one can't help but notice that the version of Trump that we are seeing is a much different one, at least in some key respects, than the one we saw during the campaign. 

Trump's constrained demeanor and the content of what he is saying are all quite striking. It is a very calm, sober, focused and one might even say thoughtful Trump that we are seeing. And what he is saying aligns in many cases with how he is saying it: it's a more cogent and consistent Trump, one who has a clearly defined worldview on many issues accompanied by an obvious desire to be less polarizing and alarming to those who did not vote for him, one might even say a more moderated and serious Trump. That doesn't mean he's compromising on every or even most issue – though he is on some – only that he's avoiding gratuitous flailing. We'll look at this ethos but more so at the substance of what he is saying as perhaps a window into what the second term will be.

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A More Moderate Side

One of the many reasons why I think that the media campaign and the Democratic Party campaign to make people afraid of Donald Trump’s character, to depict him as Adolf Hitler, to claim that he's a white supremacist seeking to impose a Nazi dictatorship on the United States, failed – and there were many – but one of the reasons it definitely failed was because it's easy to do that to somebody that the public doesn't know where fearmongering has space to grow. However, for someone who is known to the American public – and he was very well known to the public before 2016 when he first ran and, after, basically dominated our political lives over the last eight years, being president for four years. Americans already know Donald Trump so well that they really don't need the media to try to fill in the gap for them. They have their own perceptions of who he is, how he conducts himself, of how he acts in power. So, the media just was unable to scare people who weren't already scared of Trump based on what they had seen. That's why I have to say Donald Trump as a character has been pretty consistent. I don't think he's been aligned at all with the caricature that has been manufactured for him by the media outlets most hostile to him. He has been fairly consistent in his behavior, his character and how he responds to certain events – and I say that as somebody who lived in New York City for a long time, beginning in the early 1990s, when Trump was a larger-than-life figure, all the way back then, and people had a good understanding of who he was then, he was very much in the media. 

That's why I think these two major post-election interviews that he did, one with “Meet the Press” and Kristen Welker, the host of that program about two weeks ago, two weekends ago, and then today, a new one that was published with Time Magazine after it named him Person of the Year and put him on the cover, obviously much to his delight. It's actually quite striking because there are some palpable changes in the way he speaks and the tone he's using to speak in what I think is the remarkable cogency of how he's articulating his views. There's no rambling, there's not a lot of stopping and starting. He's being more articulate than usual and I think that's one of his failures as a politician. He has a great amount of charisma, he's hilarious to most people who are willing to see it, he draws a lot of attention to himself and he understands instinctively how to communicate with people, but I don't think he's a great order at all. A lot of times in debates or interviews, you kind of almost have to know what he's trying to say to really understand it because he just doesn't fully articulate. I think a lot of that has changed. 

It is possible, I think one might even say likely, that the two attempts to take his life, particularly the first one that came about a centimeter away from blowing his head off would have to change even the most fixed-in-own-ways person. By all accounts, people close to Trump speaking off the record, or on the record, say they noticed visible changes in Trump in what he values and how he speaks after those incidents. No matter how cynical you are, in general, about Donald Trump, I think it'd be very hard to reject that out of hand. In fact, it would be much more surprising to me, if someone didn't change after two incidents like that, particularly the first one. But it's also the case that, if you look at these interviews, it just seems a different Donald Trump. It's the same Donald Trump in a lot of ways. I'm not saying there's a radical transformation or departure from what he's always been, but it seems like it's a much more content Donald Trump, a much more secure Donald Trump. Someone who no longer is desperate to win the election because, remember, winning the election was really his only way out of staying out of prison. Not only did he win this time, but there's no one questioning his win, no one claiming it's illegitimate, and no one claiming it's because of Putin. It was a pretty sweeping victory. We knew he was going to win almost by eleven o’clock at night, certainly confirmed by one in the morning, which is pretty early for American politics. It was a pretty sweeping vindication of who he insists he's been and what he's been. 

I think this is appearing in interviews and one of the things substantively that is appearing as well is that he is clearly attempting to be less provocative. He's not only avoiding making statements that may play into the worst smears about him or his character, but he's going out of his way to try to be reassuring in a way that I find convincing because it does seem to me more consistent with his worldview than what one might do during a campaign. That's true of all politicians. 

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So, let's look at Time Magazine, released today, and there you see him on the cover. The article reads:

For 97 years, the editors of TIME have been picking the Person of the Year: the individual who, for better or for worse, did the most to shape the world and the headlines over the past 12 months. In many years, that choice is a difficult one. In 2024, it was not. (TIME. December 12, 2024)

It's hard to argue with that. I don't really care who Time chooses, I'm more interested in the interview. But given what they said, I think it's very, very difficult to argue there was anybody who shaped political culture or political life, not just in the United States, but through the democratic world more than Donald Trump did over this past year. The fact that he came back from being impeached twice, from being indicted four times and then he rolled to victory in the GOP nomination against a lot of credible opponents – well-funded, credible opponents. He brought a lot of other people to his side. Clearly, he's reshaped political life in the United States in ways that no one else can compare and even, therefore, globally agree that the U.S. is still the largest, most powerful country in the world. 

The magazine published a transcript with Trump, a pretty lengthy, detailed transcript and I want to give you a sense of what I mean when I said all the things I said about how Trump appears to me. As you know, during the campaign, an ad that the Trump campaign ran and ran and ran and ran over and over and over that was quite effective, was one that focused not so much on the issue of transgender people. It was really more focused on something Kamala Harris had said in 2019 when responding to a questionnaire by the ACLU and running for office, where she said in response to the ACLU question that she does support having U.S. government funding the sex reassignment surgery and another treatment, even to people who are in prison or who are illegally detained. I don't really think the reason why that ad works so well, showing Kamala Harris saying that and concluding with that famous phrase, therefore, “Kamala is for they/them, Trump is for you.” I don't even think the reason it resonated so much is because people think much about that issue, whether the government should pay for sex reassignment surgeries or treatments for prisoners and illegal detainees. I think that became a proxy for trying to say, look at how out of touch the Democrats are with your lives, that's the reason that you're suffering under their government, they don't care about you at all. They have these lofty radical issues and factions that they please, but they don't think about things that you're going through and that's what the commercial is about – not let's go stop the evil of transgenderism but more you need people in Washington who care about you and your lives. And so, I thought it was so interesting what Trump said when he was asked about this issue in general, but also the specific issue of whether the first ever member of Congress who is transgender, Sarah McBride, who was elected from the state of Delaware in the Democratic Party, should be able to use the women's bathroom. That has become a controversy in Washington among some people, and they asked him about that as well. I think his answer was surprising, at least to me. It's what I would expect him to say, I guess what was surprising was that he's just willing to say it, even if it means alienating a lot of people who are on his side, especially on this issue. So here was the exchange:

Can I shift to the transgender issue? Obviously, sort of a major issue during the campaign. In 2016, you said that transgender people could use whatever bathroom they chose. Do you still feel that way?

I don’t want to get into the bathroom issue. Because it's a very small number of people we're talking about, and it's ripped apart our country, so they'll have to settle whatever the law finally agrees.

But on that note, there’s a big fight on this in Congress now. The incoming trans member from Delaware, Sarah McBride, says we should all be focused on more important issues. Do you agree?

I do agree with that. On that – absolutely. As I was saying, it's a small number of people. (TIME December 12, 2024)

So, what he's saying is: look, this issue of transgender people using the bathroom is not an issue we should be focused on. 

As I said, I know there are a lot of conservatives, a lot of Trump supporters who disagree with that, who think that is an issue on which we should be focused. There are a lot of people who are focused on that issue, which is what I think is so notable about the fact that Trump didn't choose to demagogue this issue, he didn't choose to exploit the polarization in genders. In fact, he said, yeah, I agree with the newly elected trans member of Congress when she says we shouldn’t be focused on the question of which bathroom people use, but instead on far more important issues facing the country. 

Here is Donald Trump in 2016. I think it's really worth remembering that when Trump announced he was running, he was extremely emphatic on the issue of immigration but Trump has never been a hard-core conservative on any social issues to put that mildly, and it's pretty easy to understand why. He's been a Manhattan billionaire for his entire adult life, he was a star in Hollywood on his own show. Obviously, he's coming into contact with gay people all the time, constantly, in Manhattan, in Hollywood. He himself is on his third marriage. Those three women to whom he was married, were not the only women with whom he has had sex. He doesn't live a life focused on this, he never cared about social issues before and he's giving checks to the Democratic Party. What motivated him was immigration, trade and economics. That clearly was what gave him the most passion but obviously, during a campaign, you have to focus on the things that will get your votes. I always knew that Trump's heart is not in social issues. And you saw him quite calculatedly in this election afraid of what the abortion issue could do to his campaign and backing off a lot of hard-core pro-life stances that were once the requirement of the Republican Party, including saying he doesn't believe in a national abortion ban. 

Here is Trump in 2016, addressing kind of briefly when asked the question of trans people in bathrooms: 

Video. Donald Trump. NBC News. April 21, 2016.

That's something we talked about last week. That it is true that, for a long time, the trans issue was never anything that anybody bothered with. It only became a source of controversy when it got pushed into areas that were predictably designed to provoke a lot of conflicts, one involving trans women in sports, biological males who transition to women in women's sports, and especially the question of administering treatment to children, to preadolescence to stop their puberty or give them hormones, cross-sex hormones, as we talked about that last week. I think Trump is very representative of most people: this is not the issue that's driving me. Live and let live. This is not something that he newly unveiled. It's something he's been saying for a long time. 

During the campaign, Trump did talk about trans issues and I remember seeing the first time he did it. He basically said in a kind of ironic way: “Wow, you mention the trans issue, people go wild, I don't know why people care about this so much, but they do. Every time I mentioned it in my rally, they go insane.” So, being a politician wanting to win, he definitely did raise it and talk about it. But even when he saw the benefit, it was bringing it to him politically he never quite understood why this was something so important to other people, since it wasn't to him. Here's one example, at a rally in June of 2023:

 Video. Donald Trump. Newsmax. June 10, 2023.

He was basically mocking the audience that gave him a standing ovation. He said, yeah, “I talk about tax cuts and the economy, well, yeah, okay, I care about that a little. But if you mention trans…” I mean, the audience there in North Carolina where he was speaking, gave him a standing ovation, a prolonged applause. So Trump is obviously subtly, at least being confounded by, if not criticizing the audience for prioritizing this issue to such an extent because he does not. There you see in this article today where they basically ask him about whether he agrees that this is not the issue that we should be focused on. He said, yeah, this is in fact a tiny number of people. And he even went on to say, look, I mean, what the majority wants matters, but so do minority rights. And I want to make sure we're treating everybody justly and fairly not only was there no hostility to trans people, but there was also compassion and empathy towards them of the kind you saw in that clip going all the way back to 2016 – and I think that is who Trump consistently is. 

Another thing that I found very interesting in this article is that there's a lot of confusion among some people on what exactly Trump wants in Ukraine. In part because so many people whom he's chosen for very key positions in the foreign policy part of his administration are people who have been critical of Joe Biden for not having done more, not having done more and sooner, including allowing American long-range missiles to be used to bomb Russia, which is what Joe Biden just about three weeks ago announced he would do. And so the reporter asked him the following:

 … the question people want to know is, Would you abandon Ukraine?

And I had a meeting recently with a group of people from the government, where they come in and brief me, and I'm not speaking out of turn, the numbers of dead soldiers that have been killed in the last month are numbers that are staggering, both Russians and Ukrainians, and the amounts are fairly equal. You know, I know they like to say they weren't, but they're fairly equal, but the numbers of dead young soldiers lying on fields all over the place are staggering. It's crazy what's taking place. It's crazy. I disagree very vehemently with sending missiles hundreds of miles into Russia. Why are we doing that? We're just escalating this war and making it worse. That should not have been allowed to be done. (TIME. December 12, 2024)

I know there are people in both parties who disagree with Trump on this saying “I don't want to escalate this war,” “It's crazy to allow the Ukrainians to use American missiles and probably personnel to shoot deep inside Russia, bomb deep inside Russia. Why are we doing that?” He's speaking kind of from the heart in terms of what he really thinks. I've made this point actually once before, a couple of months ago when I was on Fox, I think it was with Laura Ingraham. She had played a clip of Trump talking about the war in Ukraine and he was basically saying what he said there, which was like “this war has ended the lives of hundreds of thousands of human beings, young people. What is the point of this, the sense of all this bloodshed?” And I remarked that it's very rare to hear a politician talking about war in that way. That is the only way, or at least the primary way to talk about war. That is war. It's spilling blood, it's ending people's lives, it's extinguishing their existence – young people who don't even want to be in the war, and don't know why they're there. It doesn't mean war is always unjustified. It means that one of the reasons why it should be an absolute last resort, only done when absolutely necessary, which is not the case for this war is because, as he often puts it, so many people are bleeding and dying and losing their lives and it's tragic. Most people in Washington in both parties talk about it as a geostrategic issue. “We can't let Russia expand.” They almost never talk about the human cost of war, in part because it doesn't really come to American soil. We haven't had a war where people are drafted since Vietnam. And so most people in the United States see war as kind of a game, as an abstract issue. It's not fought on our soil, and it's not fought with most of their families. But when Trump talks about it, he talks about it always in this very humanistic way, which is why I also do believe that, at least to some extent, there's authenticity to his desire to avoid war. Along with, as I talked about before, what is an obvious fear of nuclear weapons, which he talks about a lot. 

One of the reasons why this was so interesting – that he so adamantly said he opposes the use of long-range missiles in Ukraine – is that a lot of people who are going to be in his cabinet and who are supporters of his have said the exact opposite. Just a couple of weeks ago, General Keith Kellogg was on Fox News, and here's what he had to say on that same exact issue. 

Video. Keith Kellogg. Fox News. November 27, 2024.

That's Trump’s former national security adviser and that is the representative view of the establishment wing of the Republican Party, people like Marco Rubio, Elise Stefanik and others whom he's chosen, whose criticism of the Biden policy toward Ukraine is not that we've gotten too involved, that we've fueled that war, that we've risked escalation too much, but that we haven't done it enough. And so, for Trump to just come out and say “This is crazy, to send that kind of missiles there,” I think is indicative of why I say we need to wait to see what the Trump administration is and not judge based on the people he's choosing because it seems a very engaged Trump, a very determined Trump to make sure that this time his policies are the ones who end up shaping his administration and not people who are supposed to work for him. 

TIME Magazine also asked Trump about the war in Israel and Gaza and here's what Trump had to say about that. 

You mentioned the Palestinian people. In your first term, your administration put forward the most comprehensive plan for a two-state solution in a long time. Do you still support that plan?

I support a plan of peace, and it can take different forms.

Do you still support a two-state solution?

I support whatever solution we can do to get peace. There are other ideas other than two states, but I support whatever, whatever is necessary to get not just peace, but a lasting peace.

The real question at the heart of this, sir, is, do you want to get a two-state deal done, outlined in your Peace to Prosperity deal that you put forward, or are you willing to let Israel annex the West Bank?

So what I want is a deal where there's going to be peace and where the killing stops.

Would you tell Israel—that Bibi tried last time and you stopped him. Would you do it again this time? 

We’ll see what happens. Yeah, I did. I stopped him.

Do you trust Netanyahu?

I don’t trust anybody. 

 (TIME. December 12, 2024)

That is not the answer that most of the people who are working for Trump, whom he's chosen, would give. None of them is saying, in fact, oh yeah, we want peace. They're saying we want to unleash the Israelis even further and we'll see what happens in the administration. That's the area where I am least optimistic and hopeful, given the people who funded Trump's campaign and who he surrounded himself with. But I do think Trump prides himself on ending wars. And there again you're seeing his view that the priority has to be ending wars. He has no reason at this point, unlike two months ago, to say things he doesn't believe because he's never going to face the electorate again. 

When Trump was on “Meet the Press,” one of the issues he was asked about was whether he would allow RFK Jr. to ban childhood vaccines, or to otherwise codify the idea that vaccines cause autism and here's what Trump said about that. 

Video. Donald Trump. NBC News. December 8, 2024.

So, here he's saying, look, I'm not asserting that childhood vaccines cause autism, but I do want to know why autism has skyrocketed. She keeps saying scientists say it's because we identify it better as if he's just supposed to swallow that and say, well, there's no longer any need to research, like, do all scientists think that? Is it possible scientists are wrong like they were in so many instances with COVID? And this is a very, again, reasonable, non-dogmatic way of looking at it. I want to study these causes. I want to work with drug companies. If somebody wants to ban all toddler vaccines like the polio one, that's going to be pretty difficult for them to get me to do. So, again, you're seeing this kind of image of Trump that if you were to believe what you've been hearing about him for the last year, you would not recognize this person. 

Here's one particularly good example. I think this not only surprised a lot of his supporters but even angered them. He was asked about whether he would really intend to deport every single person illegally in the country, all 11 million, including the so-called Dreamers, the people who came here very, very young, who have studied here, who went to school here, who have integrated into the society. She asked him, would you even deport them? And here's what he said about that. 

Video. Donald Trump. NBC News. December 8, 2024.

So again, here's the person we were supposed to believe hates all Brown people, wants them all extinguished and wants them gone and sent to concentration camps and here he's asked about dreamers – and again, I know this made a lot of supporters of Donald Trump angry, who don't think anyone in the country, including Dreamers, should be able to stay – and he said, “Yeah, I want them to stay. Of course they have to stay. We need to get something worked out.” He even criticized Joe Biden and the Democrats, for not having done it when they had full power. 

I have to say this again: all of this is very cogent. Do you see how easy it is to understand, to listen to him, to follow the logical train of thought that he is asking us to travel with him on? It's a very relaxed Trump. It's not that hyper-combative defense of Trump. And again, I think that comes from the security of having just won an election that nobody can challenge the legitimacy of. Remember when he ran in 2016, it was instantly delegitimized as the byproduct of Russian interference. No one could do that this time, and so he's just extremely secure when he's talking to anybody and that makes him, I think, a more effective communicator and a more effective speaker. I know I'm being pretty positive and I'm praising a lot of aspects of what I see of Trump and this is just what I'm seeing and I'm showing you the reasons. 

One of the superpowers of Trump has always been that he is extremely funny and so often the things he said that were funny and clearly intended as jokes, the media just could not comprehend or intend it humorously. A lot of times they purposely distorted it, other times they simply were confused. I think the time that I really became radicalized when it came to media lying about not just Russiagate but Trump in 2016 was that time he stood at a press conference and was asked about Russia – they were obsessed with Russia and Russian hacking into the DNC – and he said, “I don't know about that, but Russia, if you're listening, maybe you can find Hillary Clinton's deleted emails, the ones that she had deleted.” Trump was obviously making a joke. Hey, you want to know about Russian hacking? Maybe the Russians can find Hillary Clinton's emails! And they decided to pretend that Trump was standing up in front of the world and earnestly placing a request to the Kremlin about what they should go hack. And they took that as proof that he obviously was in collusion with Putin in the Kremlin since he was specifically requesting that they go hack in a way that was politically advantageous for him. The stupidity of this was so self-evident. If Trump was in collusion with the Kremlin, why would he stand in front of cameras and submit his hacking requests to them? It was such an obvious joke and they decided to take it seriously and it made them look like idiots – like deranged, hysterical idiots. 

Trump is still funny. And I want to show you this one clip just to underscore that while he does seem to be sort of more sober and serious communicator, it's also the case that he has retained that, especially that kind of bitter, sardonic humor that comes from certain kinds of resentments. Here's what he said when he talked about the first debate he did with Joe Biden. 

Video. Donald Trump. NBC News. December 8, 2024.

So, he says, yeah, I mean, it's one thing to debate one person, just Joe Biden. That's pretty easy, he said, but to debate three people, actually that's pretty easy too, to be honest. 

Again, I think that I don't have any reason to believe this is a contrived Trump. What is most striking to me is the engagement and focus and confidence he shows now, because I think that's what was missing more than anything in the first term. I don't think he was that focused, he was not engaged, he was more focused on the vendettas he had, with Russiagate and the like, and he just allowed all these other people to do policy in a way that contradicted not only what he ran on, but what I think is his worldview. 

I am still skeptical of whether that will change in the second term, despite how many people close to Trump insist it will, that he's aware of that, that they're aware that that's the priority. But this Trump, someone very clearly focused on policy, speaking about it in an informed way, feeling strongly about it, but not so strongly that it becomes just this inflexible obsession, but still not compromising on the core worldview. That's a Trump that I think has the best chance to correct that fundamental problem that happened in his first administration when he simply didn't know enough or cared enough, wasn't competent enough and was more focused on criticisms of himself. This Trump, I think, has the best chance of actually being a Trump that can align his actual worldview and ideology, regardless of whether it appeared in the campaign, with what administration policy actually is. It remains to be seen, but this is what we have to go on. And I think it's very interesting how he appeared in both interviews. 

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